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1868 Shield Nickel - A Little Help On This DDO?

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 Posted 10/23/2013  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It could be the lighting, but the date position appears higher on the HA coin as compared to the OP coin. Also, the OP coin appears to have a die crack that extends between the upper and the right cross-lets. The HA coin has a different crack finger print than this, albeit, what appears to be a later die state.
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 Posted 10/23/2013  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think they have something weird going on with their website. I had to log in (after several tries) before I could get to the page. I was going to try to get some closeups of the area but cannot log in now.
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 Posted 10/23/2013  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Finally was able to grab closeups:

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Hope this helps!
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 Posted 10/23/2013  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks CK!
I am still pretty darn convinced that it would categorize as FS-104. The vertical lines crossing into the horizontal lines on the shield is my litmus test. Although the annulet spacing is pretty convincing too. The date location that dave700 mentioned does make me want to take a step back (now we are cha-cha-ing)

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Gary Rosner attributed it as S1-1004 (F-35), but I cannot find anything on those numbers except on Shieldnickels.net;

68r67-105.coin: 1868 {a: Notched arrow, IIa: Rev67} {S1-1004 F-35(?) 14-O-IV} {DDO}

Whatever that means.
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10/23/2013 2:43 pm
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Cha-cha!

After moving my head closer and farther away from the screen in rapid succession, it looks to me like the round thing above the date is not complete because I do not see the continuation of the line around the circle. This could provide the optical illusion of your coin's date being lower.

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The OP coin appears to be a later die state with various die details weak of missing due to die polishing. the heritage coin has stronger sharper details, but it has more die cracks. This creates a problem. The die cracks say the Heritage coin is the later coin, but the detail loss says the OP coin is the later one. Since they both can't be later, chances are good that they are similar but different varieties. The overlap of the vertical stripes appear different as well.
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 Posted 10/24/2013  11:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, so since there is doubt that it would attribute to an existing varitey (Fivaz Stanton)...punt? Try again later?

I guess I could always send it to ANACS for attribution since they identify more varieties.
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10/24/2013 11:55 am
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Oh NGC would probably attribute it to a specific FS variety, the question is would the attribution be correct? When it comes to Shield nickels NGC's attitude seems to be "well it kinda looks like that one so we'll call it that." Never accept an NGC attribution on a Shield nickel without verification they get a very large number of them wrong. (Frankly never accept a variety attribution for anything from either of the top two TPGs without verifying it, neither one has a good track record with variety attribution.)
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 Posted 10/25/2013  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In your opinion, does ANACS do a better job?
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 Posted 10/25/2013  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oih82w8 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have read that ANACS is better at attribution (and cheaper especially if you supply the attribution and ANACS verifies it)

"No grading service attributes as many varieties as ANACS. You can either submit your coins with the attributions already included or you can ask ANACS to research the attribution for you. The cost for ANACS to look up your attribution and to verify it is just $7 per coin, plus the grading fee. The cost for ANACS to research an attribution for you is $12 per coin, plus the grading fee."

http://www.anacs.com/contentPages/F...kieSupport=1

ANACS will grade and verify attribution for $22 (max value of $500 per coin), or ANACS will research it for you for an additional $12.

ANACS does a good job at grading/attribution, I just wish the had a better looking slab.

PCGS has Economy grading for $20 ($300 max value per coin) and Variety Attribution for an additional $24.
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If your still reading this check out the one I just posted def rev of 67 no doubbling on top but the whole date and bottom of shield. Plus date crowdes the ball. Where do I start
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Have you checked against the SNV database yet? I am on a Mac so haven't tried it out yet, needs Windows as the trial version is an exe file.

Here is where you can find it: http://www.shieldnickels.net - it's the Shield nickel Viewer. I'm really wanting to try it out, as this may be just what I'm looking for for my 2¢ series, the photos on the Shield nickel varieties shown in examples are fantastic!
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