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We more often see the buying experience of Numismatics, but not so often the selling side. Today I logged on to find two "B.I.N." listings had been bought by a buyer from Tivoli, Italy. He bought an AE Follis of Constantius I and a Lot of 42 mixed L.R.B. AE3's and AE4's.    That's right, Tivoli, the place of Hadrian's Villa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrian%27s_VillaHaving had a few "Shysters" recently, it was refreshing to have a buyer actually buy the coins. That he is from the town of Hadrian's Villa, I included in the package (postage was combined, the postage he paid on the Constantius Follis was refunded) a Fourree Denarius of Hadrian and a worn/warn but decent Sestertius of Hadrian. Maybe this had been asked before by other members or it may not be allowed, but I was wondering if it is possible here on C.C.F. for Coin sellers on ebay to have a Thread here for "notorious deadbeat bidders" so that Coin sellers on ebay can be made aware of them. If so, parameters are needed to define a "deadbeat bidder". Obviously if they contact to let the seller know they will be late in paying, and eventually pay, okay. Also if they contact the seller to let them know they want to bid on more coins or are acutally bidding on more coins, no problem at all. Yet if they do a "B.I.N." and do not pay or win an auction and do not pay, only pay once an Unpaid Item case is opened or just never pay, then this may merit being in the deadbeat bidder category. We know about the "notorious fake sellers list" over on Forum Ancient Coins. Here on C.C.F. I understand we have some freedom to advertise our own sales (rules applying of course). Would this also include the right to alert other sellers on notorious deadbeat bidders? |
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he picked up a nice lookin' coin! nice reverse. i don't sell much on ebay, so I've only had this problem a couple of times. it's a pain, but I just put them on my block list. if you did list your dead beats it would be easy to copy and paste them into the block "thingy" on ebay, may not be a bad idea for interested sellers. |
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Masis, It's OK to start the thread if you like.
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Thank you. I'm thinking on the parameters. An idea is that from now on, if a fellow member who sells coins on ebay has a real case of a "deadbeat" bidder/buyer, to give that ebay ID here with a link to the listing that the "deadbeat" bidder/buyer did not honour the transaction for. I'm assuming that fellow sellers will be able to avoid selling fakes, as that would be an only case where a bidder/buyer may cancel the transaction. So obviously if a ebay "deadbeat" bidder/buyer is repeated here by different sellers that would warrant them being permanently listed. Certainly they will change their ID, but it will go towards helping fellow sellers avoid such harm. |
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From my own experience it has been unnecessary to block any of the 'deadbeats'. The few nonpayers I have had have never had the 'stones' to show their faces ever again ! This is assuming that they didn't simply open a new account under a new name which is what charlatans are apt to do.
I recently sold a Banknote which to my delight had surpassed the $100 mark. Checking on the high bidder I found that he was in Russia. Now I have sold and shipped to Russia before with no problems (I even shipped an ancient coin once to Khazakstan !) But the thought of sending an expensive item gave me some pause.
Oh well I thought ....... "Suppose I will spring an extra $17 for Registered Mail".
To my great relief a Saudi Anesthesiologist jumped in with 10 seconds left and took the prize.
Now that's what I wanted to see !
Ship to King Fahad Hospital Anesthesiology Dept.
And anyone who messes with the Post gets a free 'hair cut'! (limit one per customer)
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From my own experience it has been unnecessary to block any of the 'deadbeats'. The few nonpayers I have had have never had the 'stones' to show their faces ever again ! Certainly, it is fortunate if they do not slime into your sales again. So now we have the go ahead to name the ebay ID of deadbeat bidders/buyers, if you did give the ID here at least it will help other sellers from all the problems that entail dealing them, by being able to add them to their Block List. |
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18/9 BUYERS FROM SPAIN ARE NOW BLOCKED. Last year had two coins "dissapear" en route to Sollana, Valencia, Spain. Today a buyer from Valencia messaged me on ebay to ask where his coin is, posted on the 5/9. Either the postal system in Valencia is abysmal or it is a home for thieves. Anyhow, the amount I had sent to Spain versus the amount that has "dissapeared" warrants Spain being blocked. |
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From past records: The following are the ID's of ebay members who have either never paid up unless after an "Unpaid Item Case" was opened or who claimed never to have receieved the coin (and wanted to bid on more) or whose " ebay Behavior" is suspicious (i.e. never leaves Feedback to Sellers). 3/2/2013: " denarius55" won the auction of an "AE3 of Magnentius, Unofficial Issue" for £6.50. After one week claimed it had not arrived and "never will", demanded money back, got it, and began bidding on more of my coins, so I blocked him. In and amongst the wordings of his reply was "you should have sent it registered andd now you cannot prove you posted it...why did you block me from bidding on your coins?". In and amongst the wordings of my reply, which included two scans of the Certificate of Postage, was that "why whould I pay for Registered Mail when you did not choose it....though I can prove that it was posted I cannot prove that you do not actually have the coin....a genuine buyer who had not received an item from a seller would not then go and bid on more items from that seller until they had received their original item. He never replied back. 26/2/2013: " ashtongrimes" won the auction of an "AE Antoninianus, Gallienus, Unofficial Issue, Abundantia" for £1.04. He only payed after an Unpaid Item Case was opened. After 2 days from posting it, he wanted a refund as he claimed he "had it checked by an expert who says it is fake". I explained that it was an "Unofficial Issue" hence the quality and asked for the name of the expert and also informed him on ebay's policy on Feedback Extortion. He was entitled to a full refund on returning the coin in its as sent condition. He never replied. 7/5/2013: " matthews_30" Bought a "Rare AE20 of Augustus, mint of Antioch" for £28. His ID has him registered in Chile, but the Postal address was for Miami, Florida. After 10 days he opened an "Item Not Received" case. He never leaves Feedback for the Sellers.    Edited by Masis
09/18/2013 1:06 pm
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Beware of a certain scam that seems to be going on in ebay. It seems to be by International Buyers. The Buyer makes a purchase of a coin, posted. 2 - 3 weeks pass, no Feedback. Same Buyer makes another purchase of a coin, 2- 3 weeks later. The coin arrives in a Record Breaking time of 3-4 days. The Buyer leaves positive Feedback on the 2nd coin. Then a few days later the Buyer opens a case on the 1st coin not being received. The Buyer waits to a "perfect number" of days, say 13 - 20 days since the coin was posted, before opening the case. Having left Positive Feedback for the 2nd coin purchased it emotionally manipulates the Seller into thinking the Buyer is legitimate in opening the "Item Not Received" case for the 1st coin. This happened to me in September with a Buyer from Italy and yesterday with a Buyer from the State of Cincinnati, U.S.A. This is a pattern, beyond coincidence. I would not be surprised if there are Forums where info on how to scam ebay sellers, exists. |
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I think it would be a good idea to state the reason why the ebay bidder should be included in the post and then to copy and paste that bidders ID onto a list which should be updated every time a bidder is added. If that list is in the same format as that recognised by ebay blocked list, ie. bidders ID seperated by a comma, then we can simply copy it and paste it into ebay with no editing needed. If we have out own views on a bidder listed, ie. we have had no problems then we reserve the right to edit our OWN ebay blocked list, but to leave the CCF list unchanged. The thread may be sticky and so finding the list should be easy especially if it is copied to every new post, but if it becomes a thread for discussion as well, it may be lost back in past posts. I dont know whether a list could be left somewhere prominent on the site for us to copy? |
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Got this well known type of message today at 13:49 PM GMT: " hi there, I'm ever so sorry but my son has gone on my laptop whilst not looking and bidded on this he is only 7 and doesn't understand! I'm really sorry and I hope you understand!" It is that well know BS message, whereby the buyer wants to get out of the transaction because: a) They do not want to pay for it. b) They have a shopping addiction and their bank balance does not allow for it. c) They have been hired, by a rival seller, to disrupt a seller's sales. I would like to think the answer is b). ebay ID: donna_hounsellShe had previously bought a "Roman Girls Costume". She went and bought, at 13:38 PM GMT, a coin listing of mine. I would be puzzled to think how my coin listing would come up in the "related items" feed at the top of listings for clothes, that would encourage a shopaholic to go and buy it. I sent a "Cancellation" form via the Resolution Center with a note on ebay's policy on users being responsible for their own accounts, not to let others use them. |
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I will block that buyer as well.... only... will it be me that blocks them, or will it be my daughter.....  You will never soar like an eagle if you hang around with turkeys.....
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I decided to post this, since an old topic on a "Star of Bethlehem AE Coin" got revived (new post). https://goccf.com/t/144406I sold that coin last May 7th, it was bought by ebay member " matthews_30" who has his homecountry as "Chile" but gave the delivery address as "...Miami, FL 33166-6401, USA" On the 22nd he opened an "item not received case" and ebay being the paradox it is, requested a "tracking number" which since he chose the cheap "Airmail" option does not come with a tracking number. ebay requires Top Rated Sellers to offer a cheap, economy, postal option, especially for the country the seller is in, that has to be made "Freepost". And so the buyer will understandably select that option. So an unscrupulous buyer can then wait a uniform "7 days+" and then open an "item not received case" and as the Freepost economy postal option does not come with a Tracking number, there can be no record of the package being delivered and signed for. ebay at least allows the seller to select the "I did not send it tracked" option. PayPal recommends all items be sent with a tracking number. A Scan of a Certificate of Postage is proof, but still does not prevent the unscrupulous buyer from getting their money back for the said reason that there is no record of the package being delivered and signed for. This was the case, mentioned in the previous post of "denarius55": 3/2/2013: "denarius55" won the auction of an "AE3 of Magnentius, Unofficial Issue" for £6.50. After one week claimed it had not arrived and "never will", demanded money back, got it, and began bidding on more of my coins, so I blocked him. In and amongst the wordings of his reply was "you should have sent it registered andd now you cannot prove you posted it...why did you block me from bidding on your coins?". In and amongst the wordings of my reply, which included two scans of the Certificate of Postage, was that "why whould I pay for Registered Mail when you did not choose it....though I can prove that it was posted I cannot prove that you do not actually have the coin....a genuine buyer who had not received an item from a seller would not then go and bid on more items from that seller until they had received their original item. He never replied back. matthews_30 never leaves Feedback for his purchases, I did not leave him Feedback, so the "positive Feedbacks" you see for him may be by naive sellers who trusted him, before being conned by him. |
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What every ebay seller tends to get in their inbox, an "item not received" message: "hello, i think we have a problem : iven't the coin ; the postage from England is ofen long bur I think it's too long- 4r2o" Interestingly, he only decided to notify me AFTER I LEFT HIM FEEDBACK, which was last night. 13 working days after dispatch. The coin (an AE Sestertius of Maximus) was posted/shipped on the 31st of January. That buyer ( 4r2o) is in Saint Etienne, France. He is a seller also, of more modern, French coins, with poor Feedback for his postage costs. Fishy, or what?  Edited by Masis
02/19/2014 5:07 pm
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LOL @ MetDet!! Hey, what a great topic. I think this needs to be a sticky because especially when dealing with ancients, we have fake coins and fake buyers/sellers. By that I mean, they turn out to be not as they appear, which one would default as reputable. Secondly,we deal in a global economy and as we know once it is shipped overseas only a prayer can be given to whether or not to person gets it (or acknowledges they get it). I've even had coins to Hawaii scammed, so I appreciate the time you've put together and next time anyone buys off of me on ebay, i'll certainly check this list. Let's keep this one going! |
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Without coming across as self congratulating, I agree that this should be made a sticky, but only that other ebay coin sellers should feel free to add their experiences with dead-beat bidders/buyers rather than me alone. If it became a "sticky topic" I would like the first post removed, that one where I sold some coins to a buyer from Tivoli, Italy. Since this subject is about the "Flip Side" to the ebay experience, where unto now it has all been about "bad sellers" now we can see the ebay sellers point of view and experience and dubious/notorious buyers. As for " 4r2o" he has not replied today, surely the scan of the Certificate of Postage and verified address details, plus commenting on the ridiculousness of stating they have not receieved the coin AFTER I LEFT FEEDBACK is beyong belief. I expect him to keep quite for a day or so, then try to "escalate" this joke, as if it could get any more ridiculous. |
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Posted 09/13/2013 8:01 pm
