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New Member
Canada
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Please forgive this newbie question but I am a bit puzzled. I am a big fan of 1967 and prior Canadian silver dollars. Spending time on ebay looking over the treasure I have been seeing a lot of toned silver dollars going for much more then the bright and shiny silver dollars. Also seems to be more people bidding on the toned coins. Are they more valuable to collectors? I would have figured that the shiny ones with no toning would be more valuable, not only because they have been better kept but also because I think it would be harder to see scratches dents or errors on a toned coin then a coin with no tone. Very curious about this. Personally I like the heavy cameo coins most of all, but I'm not sure what falls into what place when it comes to book value? |
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Valued Member
United States
125 Posts |
Me personally like shiny silver but sonetimes toning can be very appealing like a nice rainbow toning will make most collecters drool it's just an aquired taste really
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1391 Posts |
Without seen any specific examples that you are referring to, the case maybe that those shiny coins have been cleaned, dipped, polished or otherwise cleaned in a way that most collectors find undesirable. There are a lot of hucksters on ebay that do this sort of thing. There is one guy, who comes up every so often in the forums, that sells nothing but cleaned American Mercury dimes on ebay (an has been doing it for years now). |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote:Spending time on ebay looking over the treasure I have been seeing a lot of toned silver dollars going for much more then the bright and shiny silver dollars. Also seems to be more people bidding on the toned coins Collectors have mixed opinions on toning. Some people love it, some people hate it. The ones that do love it though will generally pay a premium for a nicely toned coin. There is a difference though between attractive toning and undesirable toning. |
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New Member
 Canada
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That all makes sense. I can see how a bit of toning would be of interest to some collectors, being able to somewhat grade coins is something I am going to need to learn.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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 So much depends on the collector. Just as there are collectors of OLD cars, there are collectors of newer cars. With coins there are error collectors, new coin collectors, old coin collectors and on and on and on. Used to be a few web sites for Toned Coins. Some people like toned coins and others hate them and some just don't mind. One of the nicer things about coin collecting is the massive variety available. |
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1006 Posts |
The fact of the matter with the reason why you are seeing these coins sell for much more is that they have a much higher eye appeal which differentiates them from the other coins. This toning is generally on higher grade coins to begin with. Frankly I appreciate many different colours of toning and depth. Anyway might as well share this new acquistion and in my oppinion it is beautiful.  |
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Generally, 'as struck' blast white will beat toning.
I would prefer 'blast white' over an even grey toning, even with mint state coins.
Except for nice even rainbow toning, that is.
Problem with rainbow toning is, that it is extremely delicate, and needs to be preserved in an airtite.
I have borrowed the term 'as struck' from ancient coin collecting, because there is no such term as 'uncirculated' with ancient coins, although the term 'mint state' would be applicable.
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09/17/2013 07:28 am
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Valued Member
United States
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I like the shiny newer looking coins myself, although a dark colored Morgan has a nice appeal. But I'd still take a BU over it.
Rick
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I prefer colorful toning over blast white, blues, greens, oranges and reds (and all between). I don't really like dark toning, black and grey, but also many blast white coins have been dipped. Safely/acceptably or not I'd rather an origional coin. Shootnstarz- a darkly toned Morgan, or any extremely dark coin can still be BU, the grade migh be bumped down a tiny bit if its really unatractive but you can still find MS-66 and up coins that are extremely dark and unattractive, grade is determined by wear and contact marks, toning doesn't affect it all that bad. Likewise attractive toning it can actually help, the grade can be bumped up due to appeal. Here's a few of mine that I consider "attractive toning" and absolutely paid a small premium for...     |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I don't really like dark toning, black and grey I love that type of toning on older stuff like Capped Busts/Barbers/Seated Libertys in circulated grades. I agree though its usually not want you want to see in MS grades |
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Valued Member
United States
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Shootnstarz- a darkly toned Morgan, or any extremely dark coin can still be BU, the grade migh be bumped down a tiny bit if its really unatractive but you can still find MS-66 and up coins that are extremely dark and unattractive, grade is determined by wear and contact marks, toning doesn't affect it all that bad. Yes, I know there are dark toned coins in uncirculated or near uncirculated condition that have high MS numbers but doesn't BU mean "bright or brilliant uncirculated"? How could a dark toned coin be labeled BU? Again, I'm a newbie, just asking to learn. Rick Edited by shootnstarz
09/17/2013 12:00 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1006 Posts |
Nah it's fine shootnstarz happy to help out a new guy. Brilliant Uncirculated is simply a grade it is not a gauge of how much brilliance a coin has a coin could be toned darkly all over but still be given the grade as it is a measure of how well preserved the coins surfaces are. Anyway in the adjectival grading system which we use in Australia we generally use Uncirculated (MS60-62), Choice Uncirculated (MS63-64) and GEM Uncirculated (MS65+).
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
3692 Posts |
After reorganizing, I realized that most of my keepers in my collection are toned.
I found that they are more amazing when the fineness is .835 and higher. Anything that is .800 and below has too much copper in it and makes it too brownish instead of rainbow, especially .720, yikes!
Personally, I keep toned coins, MS coins, and anything that is unique that no other coin will have. And I'm not into the artificial toning, although I think it's perfectly acceptable if it's disclosed to the buyer and not passed off as natural. Uniqueness is usually what I aim for.
Toned .835 is pretty impressive, like Swiss 1/2 Francs can turn rainbow-y. Got a .400 Kennedy that is Smoke Grey all around, but then a .900 Kennedy that has ugly tar-like black marks all around. Some .720 Mexican (10, 20) Centavos turn a gold yellow when lightly circulated (VF).
Can anyone maybe verify if a higher fineness results in more colors? I think it also boosts the durability of a "coat" of toning instead of morphing more often with a higher copper content.
I think it all depends on the collector, as others have said.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I can't speak for the popularity of toned modern coins, but for classic coins here's a pretty good article on why many people are driven to toned coins over blast white coins. It's a fairly long read. If you don't want to read through all of it's at least suggest reading the last section where he quotes many so called "experts". It's the section titled IV. Dipping and Culture of Coin Collecting Again, this applied towards older classic silver coins as it is generally accepted that a coin that is over 100 years old is not going to be blast white anymore without some kind of help. http://www.coinweek.com/featured-ne...ipped-coins/Edited by Tbone
09/19/2013 10:50 am
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