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Photo Of 1980 Upside Dime Proof Set

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I think I Have it posted after serval trys.
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 Posted 06/10/2007  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chevrolet454ss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am so happy I have posted after serval trys. An person wrote that those oldr can be twisted but this I afraid I will break it . This one rock solid . I onley paid like 20 bucks on ebay for serval proofs sets and the seller never said anything about his upside dime proof sets.

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 Posted 06/10/2007  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is really cool! I'd hang on to it. It will get a premium just for it's uniqueness but It'll take the right person to bid on it if you ever decided to sell it.
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 Posted 06/10/2007  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chevrolet454ss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi, I knew it was strange looking and it don't look like an person twisted it and broke cover to do it. I was going cut it up to build susan book. But I think I should leave it alone. Its so strange its not even listed in the books like the 1990 no s penny or 1975 no s dime set. I know those two sets cost 5000 for the 1990 and 40k for the 1975 no s dime set.

Does companies such as anacs or pcgs put proof sets in slabs to certify they are error sets ?If so I think it would wise choice send this to company to be slabbed. I never seen an proof set in slab before.

I know its worth more than what an normal proof set is worth. I don't have clue on what this is worth if I sold it. I don't know how those companies put prices on those the other proofs sets such as the 1990 no s penny or 1975 no s dime set. I find it amazing the 1975 no s dime set is worth 40k. How did they get that price?

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I highly doubt any premium value for such a packaging error. If the dime were removed from the set it would just be a proof dime. Most of the time mint packaging errors don't bring much if any premium value, and I would say logically this would be one of those times.
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Its so strange its not even listed in the books like the 1990 no s penny or 1975 no s dime set. I know those two sets cost 5000 for the 1990 and 40k for the 1975 no s dime set.



Please do not place a packaging error in the same value/rarity category as "no S" coins. Those are true mint errors and very few exist- there is a reason why they bring thousands of dollars. A packaging error is more of a novelty than anything. More rare is a proof set with two of one denomination, such as two dimes in place of a cent or a Two Cents in place of a nickel. Even as rare as those are, the value is still not that high.
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 Posted 06/11/2007  03:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chevrolet454ss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I never thought about that way. Your correct those 1975 no s or 1990 had errors on coins itself. My dime is just like any dime in other in any other 1980 proof set if was removed.

My research shows the us mint used robots to install there coins in there plastic holders. I guess the robot or personal loading the machines got confused that day in 1980. I don't what this set would be certified as an packing error not an coin error. I never seen an packing errors on proof sets but is one for sure. So you guys are saying not an coin error but an packing error.

I wonder ifs worth sending to pcgs to have graded an packing error or they even do it. Since its not an coin error. My idea was install proof set intact in slab to save it since it an packing error set not an coin problem.

I know I would love to see other packing error sets out there besides mine. Its sounds cool to see those with missing coins or double coins, coins in wrong places.
I still think packing errors should be certified as just like other mint errors since they are error sets but not coin errors.
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I forgot to ask. How much value does packing error sets have . Its worth maybe 8 to 15 on those non error sets. I never seen another sell or know anything about them.

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I personally think that packaging errors is stretching it a bit. If it were a rotated die then you would have something. I'm curious as to why you think it is worth 8 - 15 times a regular set? I cannot see why the set could not be opened, the coin popped out and put back the other way? It looks like the same set up as Canadian proof sets which can be opened and closed.
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Hi chevrolet454ss


I agreewith the other posters who put no premium value on packaging mistakes ,, such things do not affect the coin itself thus no wide spread value.

There are those who collect things just because they are different than the norm and they may pay a few dollars more than market value to get the set but in general I would say no added value due to the packaging mistake .

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This what I thought about it with set an whats it worth. I know some people collect them since it was error set or just strange looking.
To figure out real world value on this packing error set.
1. Its worth what an collector would pay in auction on ebay if I sold it.
2. Start biding at 9.95 no reserve in galley section where in tire world could see for 9 days. Give it max exposure compared regular exposure.
3. Let the bidders decide what real world value it has after the auction is over in 9 days. It may sell for 10 bucks or may sell for a high price. You never know it may sell or not sell.

I think from looking at the plastic and compared to other 1980 proof set. I tried twist it to see if would come apart but its rock solid. I think it came from usa mint like it did . On the 1968 thru 72 proof sets they do come apart if you twist them same on 83 thru 2006 proof sets. On the 1973 thru 1981 proof sets they made out hard plastic and I think they are tamper proof. If you take apart those sets the plastic breaks up in an million pieces and cant be reused again. I took apart serval of them to install coins in susan book and Ike dollar books. I had to use an vise and tools , hacksaw to destoy them total to pull coins. That's why I bought that lot proof sets on ebay to take them apart since I needed the susan dollar to install in my susan book. I need to buy an an 1979 and 1981 type 2 proof sets to destroy for susan dollars to finish my set. It cheaper to buy proof sets than to buy single coins I learned building sets.

On the packing error sets . The only other one I to found to compare to see whats its worth. It was an 1955 flat pack at an coin shop on the net. His 1955 set came from us mint complete without us mint Philadelphia token installed under plastic. He was asking 199 for his 1955 set. You can buy an 1955 flat pack for around 130 bucks or so. His set I don't have clue on how long he has tried to sell it at 199. You never know it may sell or never sell at that price.

I guess my 1980 upside down dime set will be saved from me destroying it for the susan dollar. I will just file in my collection of proof sets I collected up. I will save it since I collect proof sets and mint sets. I think I will keep around for long time besides tearing it up. If I ever sell it. I guess it worth on what the high bidder will pay for on ebay someday as an packing error set.

It may have been wishful thinking my set was worth thousands of dollars such as the 1990 no s penny set. I wish I had the money to buy one those 1990 no s penny sets an some those no s dime sets out there for my collection. At least I have my upside down dime set in my collection until that day I can buy one those coin error sets.



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You can do what you want, and think what you want, but there is no premium value for a proof set with a coin rotated in the holder. If you get more for it on ebay, it would simply be a case where someone who knows nothing about the subject is willing to part with more than they should to obtain one. It means nothing to said set's value, and once given the correct answer would be unethical for a person knowing that correct answer to sell the set as anything but normal.

The missing mintmark proof sets are an entirely different story altogether. This is the case of a die making it into the San Francisco mint's presses without a required (by law) mintmark and minting coins in a hand inspected process without going noticed. It happens very rarely, and the number of coins minted by those dies are likely not in the thousands. These are rare, very highly desirable, and command huge premium values. They are "listed" because they are actually minting varieties that were repeated a number of times (because the no-mintmark die struck many coins), and can be cataloged. Single packaging errors that occur once in a blue moon or once an hour cannot be cataloged because nobody knows (or frankly cares) whether they are common or not.
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Coppercoins,

You are right since its not coin error set. I am new to coins and thought peaple would care about it since I thought it was speacial since it was packaged wrong or the dime rotated in the holder. I guess its not an true coin problem. I thought in beginning it was specail since I dont know anything about coins since I am an car guy. I never collected coins or anything intill the last 7 monlths. I started buying proof sets in janary of 2007 to finish my proof run I bought from us mint in 1999 and 2000 , 2001 . I used to save coins when I little kid since I thought they were old stuff like wheat pennys, two dollars, halfs , ike, dollar coins, old Jefferson nickels.

In the last serval monlths I started trying to build me an penny, Ike dollar book and nickel books. My hobby was rebuilding old cars intill the last 6 monlths. I am new this coin stuff and trying learn more each day. I have been riped off more than once ebay trying to complete my sets since I still learning. I am learning about fakes , cleaned coins, overgraded, overpriced stuff. Your website helped once on buying an 1972 double die cent and not paying 500 to 1500 for an penny worth like on website for 10 bucks . Your website saved me money on buying my 1972 double die in pcgs slab.

Your correct there tons unethical stuff going on ebay. Fakes, overpriced coins , dealers switching photes, coins, cleaned coins, altered, inflated values on coins. I dont need explain since you already know more than do about since your the coin expert. Trust some stuff I learned the hardway and was riped off more than once so far in last serval monlths.

Your correct an person could write up glossy ebay ad on ebay and overcharge an person big time who dont anything on coins or my upside down set. It happens all day long I am learning. After me riped off serval times I dont like it and makes me feel sick inside over it.

Dont laugh two weeks ago I went to first coin shop ever in my life. It amazing looking over all his stuff in his coin shop. His prices was insane and I think I will not go back there.

Regards Dale jackson


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