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1976 Silver Kenedy Half Error?

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Still going threw the coin left to me by my wife's father. I happened across a US Mint 1976 Bicentennial Silver set. Normally I just glance to make sure the package isn't open before filing them away. But as soon as I looked at the Kennedy half dollar I knew something was strange about it.

Here's a few pictures I took with my camera of the coin. Not sure what you call it but the coins edge runs up over the surface. It did the same thing on the reserve side also. Maybe someone could tell me whats happened and if this is an error. The coin is still sealed on the plastic wrap so bear with me on the pictures. Than

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 Posted 06/15/2007  01:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Parklane64 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How interesting. One of the first threads I subscribe to.
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WOW

I have absolutely no idea what that is. That is completely amazing! Awesome find!
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It looks like something that happend when the reeding was done on the coin. I think we saw an ASE that had a similar effect. I really like this error; it's very attractive.
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 Posted 06/15/2007  10:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OrDirtDevil,

IMHO ... it's not an error, it's post-minting damage during packaging that slipped through the mint's quality control. It does resemble the heat-stamp pattern on the cellophane.
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 Posted 06/15/2007  11:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cpfull to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to agree with seated nut, I thought at first it might have been the coin sitting in the die collar wrong, but it's on the same area of the obv and rev, not opposite as a I think a collar error like this should be .
I still think it's interesting.
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I am not sure that I could buy the idea of the heat stamp of the cellophane on the coin, SeatedNut. That would be darn hot to melt into metal. Not discounting other possible post minting damage though.

Personally, I'd believe from the pics that it is a minting error from the reeding step. I dunno if such an error has a specific name, but it is way cool!

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I will try and get a better picture of the damaged areas. It is definately stamped into the metal. I too thought at first the cellephane had melted onto the coin. Thats not the case and the marks match the reeding on the side. The Reeding Marks continue up over the coin surface.

Thnaks for the comments so far. One of the most exciting coin I have found so far.

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 Posted 06/15/2007  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I am not sure that I could buy the idea of the heat stamp of the cellophane on the coin, SeatedNut. That would be darn hot to melt into metal. Not discounting other possible post minting damage though.


Tony,
The heat press that stamps and seals the cello is metal and it exerts pressure and heat. The heat is not what might have caused this, it the metal under pressure. The coin may have been out of position as it entered the stamp and the been "Squeezed" back into position. It does appear as if the coin moved as it happened. Again, my best guess.
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The coin has been squeezed ,,I also think its post mint but while being packaged.

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SeatedNut might be on the right track here. After examining the coin in the sunlight, the reverse does have a couple of straight line running down its surface. I also examined the cellophane and there does not appear to be any indication the coin got pinched between it. No marks, tears or scraps to it. If the press could have left these marks on the coin from pressure, I would have thought the cellophane also would have been damaged. None visible what so ever.

Now reguardless of the type of damage, either reeding or packaging, doesn't the mint control both
processes? Wouldn't this still be concidered a mint error? Would it be worth having it authenicated and slabbed?
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 Posted 06/15/2007  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrycopaul to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Whatever the reasonm it sure is an interesting piece.
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Its always a good Idea to have someone who is knowledgeable look at the coin in hand ,,we go by pictures and form opinions ,,sometimes things look different when the coin is in hand.

but I would get several opinions before paying to have the coin slabbed or anything like that .If it is considered post mint damage it will be return in a body bag by PCGS and NGC, and what would be the point of having it an anacs slab if it is damage ?

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 Posted 06/15/2007  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tcekolin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SeatedNut,

Didn't know that there was pressure too - that makes a lot of sense. Thanks! - Tony
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At what point does a coin go from mint to post mint? I would figure that the packing of mint and proof sets would count as an error in processing of the final steps of the coin before it makes its way to the general public.
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The coin is struck ,, once that occurs anything else is post mint .

there are even types of Mechanical Doubling which are considered post mint (ejection doubling) which occurs after the coin is struck .

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