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Thought it was a magic token or something a first, but really not sure. At the bottom of the second side it says what looks like W H & CO Newark, which I assume is Whitehead and Hoag, well known producers of medallions. Reverse looks like a crude version of Indan coins. Any help is appreciated.   Edited by Numismat
10/17/2013 03:33 am
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This is the third example of this particular object that has been posted on the forum; this link will take you to #2, with a link to #1 from there. We still don't know what it is, however. Your noticing the maker's name at the bottom of the, um, reverse  is a first, however, and may mean we can start to make some progress IDing it. Looking closely at the pics in the two old threads shows this name appears on those examples also. My best guesses as to the identities of the obverse characters are still Nyx and Chaos. It's also best guess still that is is indeed a magician's token of some kind. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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I would agree also that it is a magic trick type coin, if it is the size of a fifty cent piece or dollar it could be a coin for the multiplying coin trick. Since a lot of the old time builders and dealers in the magic biz were located in the area.
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Thanks for the input guys.
Sap: you have one rock solid memory man :)
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It seems we have similar coins. I have taken it to coin dealers, emailed photos to more Numismatists groups and persons that I can shake a stick at. The closest was that the token may represent the Egyptian Rite ( as made popular by Cogliostro ). Unfortunately, after contacting the World Egyptian Rite Masons, they assured me that they had seen no symbolism in the token that matched their rite. I will be meeting some folks in the coming weeks to get a better grasp.   |
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I have always thought it was some reference to Eve being temped with the apple in the Garden of Eden  |
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As I said in the original thread, it's not Eve being offered the apple - or if it is, it's a serious re-interpretation of the Genesis story. A hand reaching out from a cloud is the traditional artistic representation of God, not of Satan.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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I thought the "clouds" were the side of a tree when I looked at it.
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08/08/2014 06:41 am
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Hello again. I have been researching and may have stumbled on something. First, we all know nothing about this token, except that it was made by Whitehead and Hoag. It is extremely less common than the other tokens they made during the same era. I am now looking into 19th Century Gangs ( in the Newark NJ and NY areas ) and may have a probable lead. Additionally, I will be meeting a specialist in the area of " uncommon coins an tokens " next Saturday. Anything I discover I will share here for all to see. Again, I am very glad to be a part of this forum. Cheers!
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I found out only one new thing about this token. Bellevue Rare Coins were intrigued by it's design and one employee assured me that he would continue to research to help find an answer. the one thing I learned is that our particular token could be termed as "extremely uncommon" when compared to the many other tokens that Whitehead and Hoag created during their 101 year run. Again, if I find anything I will post. Cheers.  |
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Interesting. Not just the banner, but with her foot upon a globe. Hearkens back to the Roman coin depictions of Fortuna.   Edited by philadelphian
08/18/2014 11:15 pm
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I do not know the token, but I am familiar with some of the symbols. Many of the symbbols are common in the modern Wicca reconstructs. The problem with exact meanings is each 'coven' or circle interupts the symbols differently. If you live near any New Age or Pagan themed stores I would recomend you bring it there. I promise you will get some interesting ideas on the meaning. just above the name is a common Goddess symbol, snakes can mean anything from protection, change, or fortune. They are seldom a bad sign. As what we term as "New Age' beliefs have been around at least since Victorian England there have been many groups who could have had a small run of these made as an identifing talisman.
Good luck on finding its true purpose.
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Thank you Tryna, interesting info.
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