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How Does This 20cents Look?

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 Posted 10/18/2013  08:52 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 14ers to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Just got this in the mail. Does anyone see anything that would give them concerns? I have not noticed such a weak mint mark on a 20 Cents before.

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 Posted 10/18/2013  12:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hate jumping right in and say this is a fake coin but I would say I have concern.

If I had this coin in hand, first thing I would do is look at the reeded edge.
If you have a picture of the edge pleae post it. The edge should be even spaced .. not ...mushy.

Then I would weigh the coin, RedBook has the correct weight.

One of the areas I am concern with are the rims. There seems to be a ridge. This may not be a problem ... But it does concern me

If you are not sure, and there is a good coin dealer in your area, take the coin there and have them look at it.
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 Posted 10/18/2013  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My concern would be also with the stars, the date (font looks a bit off IMHO), the eagle's legs (looks like it was engraved after striking) plus some other areas.
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 Posted 10/18/2013  1:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add solotime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's real.

It's just your photo's aren't good.

Take a look at this cheap TPG one:
http://www.davidlawrence.com/invent...-Cent-Pieces
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 Posted 10/18/2013  5:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add YoshiRules to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1st year of mintage. Nice! (not saying much for the 20c pieces, though--they were made 3 years)
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 Posted 10/18/2013  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
20 Cent Pieces have smooth edges.
I would say genuine. There would be no real reason (value wise) to fake this coin.
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 Posted 10/18/2013  6:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add noahs-numismatics to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks okay to me. I think it is just the angle the pictures were taken at.
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20 Cent Pieces have smooth edges.


Good catch vermontensium ... I have seen quite a few .. but only have the one in my type set ..
I was thinking they had reeded edge .. like a quarter.

I still have concern. As another member mentioned, the stars seem different, not shaped the same.

The rim has a odd ridge on both the obverse and reverse.
Obverse - between 7 o'clock and 10 o'clock
Reverse - between 4 o'clock and 9 o'clock
I don't feel this is a mis-aligned die, because the ones I have seen would have a area of weak detail, near the edge.

This coin has very good detail, but the foot has very little detail. There is also an area in the field, under the foot, to the right of the date that I would like to have a better .. in hand look.

lastly, on the reverse, the dentils between the 2 o'clock and 3 o'clock that area draws my attention.

I would not bet money it was fake .. or real. But I would have enough concern to want it checked out by an expert or a TPG.

Also what is the weight .. correct weight would help me lean toward real.

As for the value of this coin, numismedia list VF at $156 and XF at $240. I have seen fake coins of much less value then this. Of course .. if I was going to fake this date .. I would leave off the "S" mint mark .. or put a CC.

So in that respect ..vermontensium has another very good point.

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 Posted 10/18/2013  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm leaning on the genuine side. Many of these that I've seen were mushy strikes; and particularly so the stars. The reverses tend to show more relief. The letters in LIBERTY tended to easily wear away in circulation. It's possible that the OP's coin is an S/S variety. While not a particularly scarce variety, that might account for the mintmark's seemingly weak appearance. I find it difficult to be certain, but I see no reason to think it's other than genuine.
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 Posted 10/18/2013  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 14ers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Thank you for all the replies to my post. I appreciate it.
Actually, the raised portion of the rim really did not concern me very much as I have seen it to varying degrees on other 18th Century coins. This type of rim has been has been discussed here on this forum in the past.
https://goccf.com/t/76248
I have weighed the coin. RedBook says it should weigh 5grams and my scale says 4.97grams.
The edge looks smooth, as it should, without any sign of a casting seam or filing.
One area of weak strike that seems common in other 20 Cents has commonly been in the word "CENTS".
Another common weakness in the strike is in the detail on the feet. It seem they are most often smooth, especially the foot on the right( the bird's left!). It was the detail in the foot that interested me in this coin.
I will take and post more photos of this and the 20 Cent piece that it displaced for a comparison. Unfortunately it will have to wait a while. Tomorrow I will be leaving the country for about ten days and will not be able to contribute to this conversation.
Again, thanks for the input!
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 Posted 10/18/2013  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muddler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks OK to me, here is mine for comparison.

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 Posted 10/18/2013  9:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GR58 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


I step aside to the experts.

Looks like a good coin
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 Posted 10/18/2013  10:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks good to me.
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