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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I won this today but the auction house made no mention of the mm....I noticed it and got it for £80 hammer. It may well have been cleaned at some stage but let me know if it's worth getting slabbed and given the condition....which TPG might be best for this coin...many thanks, marbury   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm afraid there may be some red flags flying on this one - mainly in the striking of the denticles. Historically, counterfeiters has had a hard time with them and these appear very suspect. Have you weighed the coin? Given its XF appearance, the coin should weigh very near 26 grams. Also make sure you check for magnetism. PG
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Pillar of the Community
 United Kingdom
552 Posts |
As I said I just won it today so don't have it in hand and not paid for it yet.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2373 Posts |
The R-I in AMERICA look suspect to me. I'd say this is a counterfeit. nlp
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Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
That reverse was only used in 1921. Run away.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2541 Posts |
Certainly looks dodgy....
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Rest in Peace
United States
10625 Posts |
The CC mint mark stands for chinese counterfeit on this one.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2815 Posts |
Counterfeit, unfortunately.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
552 Posts |
Well I said before the auction to the auction house if I found it to be fake I would return it...luckily
I have not paid for it and will refuse to pay....they can ban be from their future sales if they like...
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Definite counterfeit. See if you can return it to the auction house. They may try claiming that all sales are final because it was an auction. In the US we can counter with the fact that the house is not able to pass good title. I don't know if UK law works the same way, but most reputable houses do allow returns for reasons of authenticity.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I concur with this item being a counterfeit. Why not have the auction house weigh it and put the responsibility on them? If they ban the OP from future sales, can he not then not threaten to "go public" with the company's sale of counterfeit coins? Just a thought ...
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United States
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There's no need to weigh it. Let me reiterate: The reverse on this coin was not even designed until 39 years after the date on the obverse.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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What is unique about the 1921 reverse, SD? I seem to have forgotten. I know I could look it up, but I would rather hear it from you.  |
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Rest in Peace
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Most notably is the olive branch is bent below the arrow heads. Prior C4 reverse and earlier had a straight branch.
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What is unique about the 1921 reverse, SD? I seem to have forgotten. I know I could look it up, but I would rather hear it from you.
Look at the shape of the arrow fletches - they're a dead giveaway. That even length progression, with no slanted top feather, is unmistakable. |
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Pillar of the Community
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There's no need to weigh it. Let me reiterate: The reverse on this coin was not even designed until 39 years after the date on the obverse. SsuperDave, I get it ... the reverse design. The reason that I suggested to have the auction house weigh it is that this UK auction company may be unable to discern the relatively subtle reverse design differences that some of us CCF folks can readily see. However, the WEIGHT is something that they could more simply identify and account for, using a U.S. coin book or website. Also, the company would then have a relatively simple means of eliminating these more obvious counterfeits; this, should they genuinely care to do so in the future! |
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