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Japanese But From Where And When, Maybe Fake,

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 Posted 10/27/2013  9:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kookorp to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Came across this, I know its from japan and from Kochi era?
but I haven't found one with all the writing on the outside. Any help would be appreciated.
Year? value? uniqueness? meaning of the words!?

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 Posted 10/27/2013  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a fantasy piece or good luck token. I'm no expert though.
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 Posted 10/27/2013  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does say it's produced in October 1982 at a place. Just can't read it clearly to give better answers. So no, it's clearly not a genuine 500 mon coin but a tribute.
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 Posted 10/28/2013  12:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think it's Japanese either. One side has a Manchu inscription that resembles those on Chinese cash coins.
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The inscription above and below the square hole on the obverse side (first image) is tian bao di bao (天保地保) which translates as "protection from heaven and earth".

This is an inscription that appears on this type of Chinese charm.

However, this Chinese charm is usually considered to be based on the oval-shaped Japanese "Tempo Tsuho" coin which had a similar inscription (tian bao tong bao 天保e宝) and which was minted in Japan beginning in 1835.

Also, this Chinese charm has a reverse side that is very different from that of the Japanese coin, as can be seen in the images.

The reverse side of the OP's piece states that the denomination is "Value 500" (""百).

Additionally, the Manchu characters state that the coin was cast at the Board of Works mint. Manchu characters were used by the Manchus that ruled China during the Qing Dynasty (1644-1911). While I do not collect Japanese coins/charms, I have never seen Manchu characters used on any coin or charm from Japan.

The OP's "coin" therefore appears to be Chinese.

But, that is probably not correct because the incused inscription at the bottom of the obverse side gives a date of the 10th Month of Showa 57th Year. Showa refers to the reign (1926-1989) of the Showa Emperor of Japan who was also known as Hirohito. The 57th year would be 1982 and the date engraved on the coin is therefore October, 1982.

The year and the month are written in Arabic numerals. The day, however, appears to be written in Chinese (Kanji). It is difficult to make out from the image but the character appears to be ji (吉) which means "lucky" or "auspicious".

This could make sense because the "auspicious day" in October, 1982 refers to the "grand opening" of a store or business. The last two Chinese characters in the incused inscription are kai dian (e-店) which means "opening for business", "opening a store or new building", etc.

As to what business, the name of the store or company is written at the top of the obverse side.

Unfortunately, the image is not clear enough for me to read. The name is written left-to-right. The last character looks like lou (楼) which means "building" although I am not certain. I cannot make out the first two characters.

So, this "coin" resembles an old Japanese coin and a Chinese charm but isn't either.

I would characterize it as a souvenir that was given out at the opening of a business or the dedication of a building in Japan. It was probably a novelty item produced in Japan (or imported from China) that had the name of the company and the date added. The owner of the business, for reasons we do not know, apparently felt that it was suitable as a give-away item at the dedication ceremony.

That's my best guess! Others may have a different opinion.

(Please note that the software on this forum does not print certain Chinese characters. Also, I have used Chinese pronunciation throughout. The pronunciation of Kanji characters will be different.)

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 Posted 10/28/2013  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kookorp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am absolutely blown away. Thank you so much. Wow. I will keep it as I have just started my own little buisness. Again wow. Hope I have more coins that I can ask about just to get explanation like this.
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Wow...that was sure an interesting read! I would've never figured that out
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I think I have a better idea after having a good rest. This was a token used to commemorate the opening of a Chinese restaurant in Shibuya, Japan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heichinrou

The characters match for the restaurant as well as the opening of this particular restaurant - Oct 1982.
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