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Mexico Hookneck 1824 8 Reales Mo. Jm.

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Hi ! I am a new member on this forum, and would like information on this Hookneck 1824 8 Reales. That has an re-engraved date, could it be contemporary counterfeit or real 8 reales. I can understand why damage a Hookneck in this way. Would appreciated any information.

Mexico-Hookneck-1824-8-Reales-Mo.-Jm.
Mexico-Hookneck-1824-8-Reales-Mo.-Jm.
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 Posted 10/30/2013  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a doctored coin. The date looks different than other coins of this year and it should not be this bold when all the legends around it are well worn.
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THanks for the information..The obverse I could not upload the image, but its a Hookneck Mexican 8 reales. I can understand why damage the date. Ill save as a curiosity coin.
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Well it is a damaged coin. Check the weight and try again with the image.
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Gosh, where to start. It is excessively worn, looks cleaned and tooled, looks like at one point it was made into jewelry.

The date has definitely been re tooled. If it is counterfeit, the guy is a real bad counterfeiter. At this point I would say that it has used up all of it's numismatic value.
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I have upload the obverse of the Hookneck 8 Reales coin image. Sorry for the size I am new here in the forum. The weight is 26.1 grams.
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 Posted 10/31/2013  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This was the piece from ebay a month plus ago. My impression was that the piece was just excessively worn in that spot to the point where the date was essentially invisible (look how worn "8R" is...)... and someone took it on themself to reengrave it semi-artistically. I think if nothing else, the overt reengraving increased its conversational value.

"At this point I would say that it has used up all of it's numismatic value."

You might think that, but hooknecks are so popular/pricey, it definitely has at least some value over scrap... it's probably worth about what it sold for the first time, but not what it went for from the flipper (who DOES love him some Hookneck-flippin'!!):

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1824-8-Real...271257806091
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1824-MO-MEX...390651194494
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There is currently one on auction, from Numismexico (a serious seller from Mexico).
Quite nice, but gosh, those are not cheap :D
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Here is one from my collection, they are beautiful coins.

Mexico-Hookneck-1824-8-Reales-Mo.-Jm.

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Thanks for all the information I paid twice the price of the first seller.....Like you said they are pricey. Ill use it as a filler for my 8 Reales collection. This is why I became a member to this forum, too learn from you guys and gals.....I also brought my first book....Eight Reales and Pesos of the New World ...by Carlos A. Elizondo. Jr. By the way you have great looking Hookneck 8 Reales jfransch. Thanks All. Its great learning on this community. !
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