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 Posted 10/31/2013  9:05 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
SO today I just acquied a small stack of notgeld - about 50 notes. However, I know almost nothing about these. SO any info would be appreciated!



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 Posted 10/31/2013  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augsburger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's a website called notgeld.com which has information. There are so many notgeld out there, each city or area produced its own, often not even for currency, but to make money.
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 Posted 10/31/2013  9:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
augsburger- ah good to know. Are they fairly collectable? I paid $20 for the stack of 50. Do you think that I did alright?
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 Posted 11/01/2013  02:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ark to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, thats a good deal. They usually sell for $1-2 in UNC condition.
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 Posted 11/01/2013  03:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thai-vic to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting point augsburger raises. Just a few thoughts.

When you see so many available in unc it makes one wonder did they really print so many that ended up unused or are they still being printed for the market?

Obviously they don't incorporate modern anti-counterfeiting measures and modern printers should very easily produce these kind of 'rough and ready' notes.
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 Posted 11/01/2013  06:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Groendrup to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I to think you have a point there Thai-vic.

Alot of them cut by fake.....

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 Posted 11/01/2013  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Archraz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help, everyone!

Ark- Really, only $1-$2 a piece? hmmmm. A bit lower than I thought... But, oh well, it's pretty.
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 Posted 11/02/2013  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrisild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Obviously they don't incorporate modern anti-counterfeiting measures and modern printers should very easily produce these kind of 'rough and ready' notes.

Could well be. But keep in mind that most of those nicely designed colorful notgeld notes were made with collectors in mind. Such notes circulated to a very limited extent; the cities and whoever else issued them wanted people to buy them and not turn them in ...

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 Posted 11/15/2013  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sg93 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice collection! here's mine

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Almost all the notgeld you see out there will be genuine. Look at some of the serial numbers............some are greater than 500,000 so that is a lot of each note. As there are so many different pieces out there to be collected, it would only be profitable for a forger to try and possibly forge a 'rarer' piece. As has been said before, average price per piece can be seen as 1 dollar US.......for any 'common' note. Wouldn't be worth the forger's time and effort at that price, especially as the market has literally thousands upon thousands of other designs to collect. I tell most of my collector colleagues to generally not worry about forgeries in the notgeld world. Some are known, but they are very very few indeed. Some collectors are put off straight away because of the pristine condition of most serienscheine pieces (series or sets). It's such a shame that happens. Most serienscheine never went into circulation, because they were not printed to do that. Many examples can be found of serienscheine pieces that were circualted and used though.
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 Posted 01/25/2020  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add notgeldman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are a couple of other pictures, showing scarcer notgeld types: hope you enjoy them!


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 Posted 01/25/2020  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ScotsGreyhound to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@notgeldman, I have the 10 pfennig which matches your 5 pfennig in the bottom picture (top right)
Although my serial number is placed differently
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Notgeld indeed sell for $1-2 each in small quantities. However, when I was buying them in lots of 1000 from Germany a few years ago, they cost me about 40 Eurocents each. These lots are 98% Unc or with minor handling, and will have some incomplete sets but very little duplication.

There are very few expensive notgeld, and by expensive I mean $20 plus. If I were to buy one of the handful at $200 plus I would seek a known dealer.

When you get these notgeld, it is easy to tell that they are 100 years old, not made in a print shop last week.

According to my list, nearly 1900 places in Germany (past and present, may be in different countries now) issued Notgeld in one form or the other.
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@oriole, I have to disagree with you slightly as there are hundreds upon hundreds of 'scarce' notgeld pieces out there to collect....with matching catalogue and market values. Yes, you might be able to buy a pack of 1000 different fairly cheaply, but do that more than twice and duplicates will start really mounting up. It is also fairly difficult to then try and find and purchase the possible missing 1 or 2 pieces from a set. It starts out being fun but after several years you could end up with a very basic collection that doesn't even have complete sets. I'm my opinion, it is always best to try and get better pieces into your collection, if 'hobby money' allows that. I would much prefer to buy 1 'scarcer' single notgeld for 50 dollars, let's say.....than 50 or even 100 'common' pieces. All the notgeld collectors will have the 'common' sets but very few will have a lot of the better pieces.
I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong in how they collect but I've been doing this for more than 46 years now ........and trust me....over time, you do learn your mistakes.
Number and places of issue....and even types of notgeld issues are recorded out there. The more collector gets passionate about notgeld collecting the more there is too learn.
Thanks to everyone for the interest in any of my posts. I can help a lot of people out regarding notgeld I'm sure.
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@ScotsGreyhound - super. This is from a set of 6 pieces, where the serial number is usually located like yours, on the bottom left-hand corner. How many notgeld do you have in your collection and what types seem to interest you the most?
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Here is a lovely rare complete set of 3 notgeld from Sundwig. They catalogue under Lm.1273 & Gr/Mehl-1305.1 with a value of 300 euros each. There are no variant pieces. The notes issued by 'H. Meise' depict bones of large bears and scenes from the area known as 'Heinrichs Hollow' near the town. It states the bones they found there in 1904 were 2.2metres long and 1.1metres high. The face values of the 3 notese are 50pf, 1m & 2m. The notes are undated but were issued in 1921.


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