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Frustrations In Grading A Buffalo Nickel..1913-P Type 2

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 Posted 11/05/2013  4:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add epikur to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Darn, those are hard to grade. I thought I figured my coin out, then I started comparing it to the ones on heritage.

And now I'm lost

Here is my coin. the fields are pretty much in pristine condition and the luster is awesome:
Frustrations-In-Grading-A-Buffalo-Nickel..1913-P-Type-2
Frustrations-In-Grading-A-Buffalo-Nickel..1913-P-Type-2

I want to see this as weakly struck and not wear on "LIBERTY" and the buffalo's head and shoulder, this one is almost identical:
http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...2&lotNo=3273
or this:
http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...0&lotNo=7675

How would you grade it? and please guess the grade before you take a look at the examples I posted...


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11/05/2013 4:56 pm
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 Posted 11/05/2013  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wheatchaser140 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No need for frustration, it is uncirculated. I'm not enough of an expert to assign a number, but it definitely has no wear I can see. You are correct, LIBERTY is weakly struck this is not wear. Hope this helps.
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 Posted 11/05/2013  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It almost looks like a tired obverse die (with a die clash) paired with a fresh reverse die. I'll guess AU50ish?
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 Posted 11/05/2013  5:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add solotime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think AU-53.

Isn't the buffalo missing some details on the head?
That looks like wear.
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 Posted 11/05/2013  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
well...here's what I see. looks like a weak strike or worn die. based on the flow lines i'd be more inclined to go with worn die. the reverse appears to show some rub on the shoulder/leg. I was going with AU58 or MS62 but I think with the rub. I would lean more to AU58
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 Posted 11/05/2013  6:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add epikur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hence my frustrations...A weak strike and/or worn die makes it extremely difficult for me who's not a buffalo expert, to grade these...
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 Posted 11/05/2013  6:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Au 50 to au 55.
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 Posted 11/05/2013  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Joseph7420 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
...MS-60.
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 Posted 11/05/2013  10:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Full horn with maybe just a touch of flatness from less than a full strike.
Split tail.
Obverse is from a well used die.

Can't quite see if there's a rub on the hip bone.
If so, I'd say AU-58.
If not, I'd say MS-63 with an outside shot at a -64.
But no higher because of the obverse die and a weakish strike.
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 Posted 11/06/2013  01:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think I see a little bit of wear on the cheekbone and buffalo's hip. I will go with AU-58 but if the luster is as good as you say it is, it may be market graded MS. The coin looks like it was struck from very tired dies.
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 Posted 11/06/2013  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add weerdsteev to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm in agreement that "Liberty" did NOT get that way through wear, but too many other high points on the coin strike me as having slide marks. I'd have to go with AU 55-58.
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 Posted 11/06/2013  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mailman28 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
comparing your pics to the two you linked, it seems like there is a touch of wear on many of the high points especially the buff's head...AU 58 ...maybe more pics/different lighting prove it MS
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 Posted 11/07/2013  02:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS62. Worn die.
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