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1970 S Double Die?

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 Posted 11/06/2013  11:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add canuckyank to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So... I found this while looking for small dates. Is this a double die obverse? Just Machine Doubling? Worth anything?

I know less than nothing about varieties so any help would be appreciated.


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 Posted 11/06/2013  11:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KisNap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My guess go towards Die Deterioration.
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Probably could bring a couple of bucks on the Bay...
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 Posted 11/07/2013  12:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rpmes to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could be MM-001. Location seems correct, but need closer pics of MM. The date is another story. MD? Die Deterioration? Check for corresponding die markers here.
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
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Looks like flat field doubling. It is also around date devices. So Machine Doubling. A larger image might show more. But that is what I see so far.

Kind of looks like this one:
1970-S-Double-Die?
Even the same fading die scratches under the mint mark area?
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11/07/2013 12:43 am
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coop that looks exactly like what I have. What is it?
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Also apologies, I don't have very good equipment.
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Nice pics coop. I can see the differences now. Should've known.
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When you see the date and the mint mark pushed in the same direction, it is always Machine Doubling. I call it flat field doubling because of the way the field is flattened during the Machine Doubling. But we most of the rim give this term to proofs that shows the same affect, but because of a coin being struck a second (or more times) time it leaves a similar mark. Here is an example:
1970-S-Double-Die?
I thought this was a tripled die coin. The weaker areas above the three's devices are flat field doubling. The marks in the area where the doubled three appears is doubled making this a doubled die not a tripled die. Hope this helps.
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Ok that makes sense. Thanks!
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I was very lucky recently and managed to find a nice proof 1970-S large date over small date DDO, which is at a grading service. The DDO was mildly evident on the lower part of IGWT, and the date was a little thicker, but definately had that outline of two different strikes. I don't know when the lot of coins will be back, but its a matter of time. I'll post pics of the 1970-s LD/SD DDO and the 1972 DDO's that were sent in.

The 1970-s rolls, man they have a lot of Machine Doubling and wierd flat field issues. I had purchased a few rolls, and lets say out of 150 or so, I might have had a handful, 20 or so that seemed "normal". The others had issues, none were considered to be DDO's. A lot of them were MS64 and MS65 which gave them some value.

In respect to that 1963 above, I have 3-4 rolls of 1963-D Lincolns, and only one looked like the bottom right image. When I found it, I had to do a double take and thought about it for a sec, and then put it back in the roll. I think my immediate answer to myself was "it doesn't have that classic lower 3".

I'll have to revisit those rolls and see if I can pull that one out.
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