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Asian And African Crowns Before 1918 Sugesstions

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I want to compile a list of crown size coins issued before WWI in Asia and Africa. My definition of a crown is over 18.5 g and over 33mm in diameter corresponds to the late German thalers. It appears that crown size coins in Asia/Africa are fewer compared to Europe and South America. Here is what I come up with without going through the Krause end to end , perhaps there are popular others that I have missed ?

###Asia###

British Trade dollar - I have one
French Indochina piastre - I have one
Strait settlements dollar
Chinese dollars
German new guinea 5 marks

###Africa###

South Africa 5 shillings 1892 - Super rare and expensive
Ethiopia Birr - I have one
German East Africa 2 rupee
Eritrea tallero 1918/1891/1896

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Zanzibar Riyal 1299 AH (1882)
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Iran 5,000 dinars AH1293
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Can't remember off the top of the head if these coins are over 33mm but they should

Japan 1 yen
Japan Trade dollar (counterfeits exist)
Korea 1892 5 yang (rather expensive and counterfeits exist)

When it comes to Chinese crown coins, a lot of counterfeits as well. The only affordable crown would be the Fat Man coin issued from 1914 to 1921. Chinese Provincial and Republican issues are just too expensive even in low F grade.

Might want to look into India as well. Am not well versed in this area.


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Opps I forgot: the pre second world war Imadi and Ahmadi Riyals from Yemen
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11/30/2013 06:17 am
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The 5 Francs of Congo Free State (37 mm, 25 g, Ag 0.900) also qualifies; a photo is included on Numista: http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces18068.html

This coin was minted four years: 1887, 1891, 1894 and 1896. This last year sometimes shows up in auctions. The others are rare.
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11/30/2013 08:40 am
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Spanish Philippines Peso and American Philippines Dollar.
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Thank you guys, I really appreciate the suggestions. I also found 1897 Philippine peso, a one year type but inexpensive due to large mintage.
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20 Egyptian Qirsch (1910-13) with the Islamic date 1327 fixed. It's not excessively rare to make it unaffordable.

http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces28413.html

and

10 Moroccan Dirham 1320 (1903);

http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces17272.html
There's a few more dated later 1911, 1913, 1918
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Iran 5000 Dinars adn Mogolia 5 Mongo.
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Finally, Hong Kong one dollar 1866-68
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A few more finds from the Dutch East Indies (Indonesia). I'd be surprised if any of those were affordable.

Silver Ducation, Netherlands East Indies 1728-1741
http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces21874.html and
http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces21743.html

3 Guilders, Netherlands East Indies 1786-1789 (VOC)
http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces21744.html and
http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces27283.html

The next large silver coin in the Dutch East Indies dates 1943 (2 1/2 guilders), affordable but out of your time frame.
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I previously made a list of crown sized coins but seem to have misplaced it. Many of them were from Europe and Central and South America so don't fit your needs.

This is an example where the advanced search of numista is very helpful. I just entered your criteria and found 610 coins, but that includes from all over the world and probably some hammered coins. I'll let you tweak the details to your liking. Here is the link to search results.

I decided not to actively pursue crown sized silver coins for a few reasons:
One is the price of silver has been high, so the MINIMUM you'll find these coins is melt value of $15-30. Even the common ones start at $50-60 with most costing >$100. That's just beyond my budget.

Another reason is that these coins are heavily counterfeited. I would trust buying common coins like some European crowns but don't trust myself for the more exotic coins. The fakes are good enough that the diameter, weight, and non-magnetism may be correct. I suspect 99% of Chinese silver dollars are fake, and that's probably an understatement. I would not buy any of the five coins you listed in the Asia section of your first post without being certified or from a highly trusted dealer (and then I'd still consider having it certified).

So I don't know your budget or your familiarity with Counterfeit Detection, but I decided not to pursue them myself.

I look forward to seeing your collection in the future.

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I suppose the Russian Empire rubles might count as "Asia" thought they were 18 grams for some reason, but turns out the actual weight is close to 20 grams (and the diameter appears to be 33.5 mm).
You probably already have (some of) them though (as "crown-size" coins go, these are relatively common).

EDIT: And looking at the Numista list, a lot of the Asian and African examples make the South African 5 schilling coin look common
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