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1925 Mercury Dime. Die Clash?

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 Posted 12/18/2013  07:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Carlos arriaga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Because "I see"; "My self", "No body else". part of the oberse, and part of the reverse belonging to a 1925 S Half dollar Walking Liberty. I believe the Die clash happen right there in that denomination. (1925 S 1/2 dollar Walking Liberty). And "SOME HOW". That Die clash was transferred to the Oberse on this Mercury dime 1925 S. Also I know that, THE WORK IS NOT FINISH. Maybe I got to spend some weeks more finding out the matches features.
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 Posted 12/18/2013  07:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ldhair to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Mercury dime posted is not a Multi-denominational clash die coin. It's not even close. I'm seeing nothing but damage.
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part of the oberse, and part of the reverse belonging to a 1925 S Half dollar Walking Liberty.

That is IMPOSSIBLE. Why? Because there were no Walking Liberty half dollars struck in San Francisco in 1925 nor were there any Walking Liberty half dollars struck in 1924, 1925, and 1926 at ANY mint.
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 Posted 12/24/2013  03:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Leave it to biokemist6 to figure out the obvious - DOH, we all should have seen that writing on the wall, thanks biokemist6 - you da man of the day on that comment!
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 Posted 12/24/2013  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCollector2000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please, sir, see your mistake and move on. It's a normal 1925 Mercury dime that has seen years of circulation.
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 Posted 12/26/2013  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Carlos arriaga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IT'S A MULTIDENOMINATIONAL CLASH. "AT LEAST" 3 Types of "different lines" can be seen in this Mercury dime. Belonging to the way Mr. Weinman used to design the Half dollar coin of those years. IT IS AN ERROR. In 1925 no one Half dollar coin was made. BUT THE HUBS, THE DIE AND THE WORKERS WERE THERE AT THE MINT. Happy New 2014 for you too.

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 Posted 12/26/2013  2:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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BUT THE HUBS, THE DIE AND THE WORKERS WERE THERE AT THE MINT.


*sigh*

No. No, the hubs and dies were not there. Nobody's going to ban you, Carlos, but neither are we going to allow you to offer these ridiculous conjectures without being challenged. Too many people read these threads without ever posting, newcomers to numismatics for whom this is all information they've never heard before.

They might believe what you're saying, and start thinking their damaged coins are "errors" as well. This will not be tolerated.
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I have been photographing clashes and generating overlays for maddieclashes for several years now and I feel compelled to make a few comments (hopefully the Mods don't mind). Though in order to even discuss clashes at this point, we have to put aside: no half dollars were minted from 1924-27 (as noted); dies were defaced when their usefulness was finished, so no half dollar dies should have been available; dual denomination clashes were generated at one specific time, and was another era altogether; and finally the areas in question look like scratches. If I had seen that coin in front of me, I wouldn't have given it a second thought.

Now on to clashes: clash remnants observable on a struck coin are a mirror to the normal design. Below I will attach one of my overlays of dime. The opposing face's design is backwards. Thus one cannot place a coin on top of another coin and trace the image as the image would be oriented incorrectly. Next, clash remnants tend to be tied to high points of the design making contact with one another. High points on a die are low points on a struck coin. We see clashes in the fields and the details are typically incuse; raised points tend to be parts of the field around the design as opposed to the design itself. Rarely do clashed dies make contact from low points to low points. What you are showing has the lines crossing everything, in some cases equally, implying something impossible. another issue is that clashes are not close facsimiles. They are not similar. With the exception of some distortion from the dies striking one another, or accounting for some tilt, they are exact, not close. You showing straight lines that are supposed to somehow represent subtle curved design elements (or vice versa).

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your coin could not be a clash because if the half dollar die hit the dime die it would leave a raised eagle image just like on a coin struck by the same half dollar die so in return it would leave a reverse incused image of the half dollars design on the struck dime. So what you're missing is the so called clash of yours has the image in the same facing direction which is impossible because altimately if it were a clash the eagle design would be facing the wrong way compared to a regular half dollar.
And I won't even start with the PMD side of the story.
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Let's say that some how a half dollar die hit a dime die,
If this were to happen the eagle design from the half dollar die would be raised on the dime die just like you see on a regular half, so when the dime die hit a planchet it would leave an incused and reversed image of the eagle.
Your coin could not possibly be a die clash mainly because the so called clash you see is facing the same way and is not incused.

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Sorry about the multiple post I thought my tablet deleted the first one.
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Still just PMD. No more, no less.
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It took nearly 90 years to discover this?
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What ever. I'm 100% sure about two things. Those lines what you call scratches; are the pure expression of Mr. Weinman,(designer of dimes and Half dollars on those years); and second. Those lines were made from something coming through the dime in the "Z Axis" direction. No in the "Y"or "X" axis. About the 96 years. Everybody still looking from errors from the past. Thank again for your opinion.
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 Posted 01/04/2014  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Carlos arriaga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


1925-Mercury-Dime.-Die-Clash?
The big lesson I learned this week, was that, Mr Wienman did both coins designs. ( Mercury dime) and ( Walking Liberty half dollar). Then; there's a big relation between dimes and halfs.
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