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Valued Member
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Hi all, Ready to sell, but don't have a clue of what the going price is for this VAM 1BE strike through. Any help is much appreciated.   |
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I'm not sure I see how you're arriving at 1BE on this coin. 1BE is a mechanical strikethrough - debris - and can't be expected to vary much for whatever number of examples were struck. Heck, it might well be unique, only the plate coin in existence. Yours is also missing the details near the star and "U" characteristic of 1BE. Is there any hint of the mint mark? A strikethrough would not define a specific VAM today and I'm surprised 1BE did initially. |
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Valued Member
 United States
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I finally found another like it for sale. it's MS63 though. Mine is raw.
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United States
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I'm inclined to think yours is a mechanical strikethrough also - grease finds its' own level as a liquid, and something like that incomplete "O" in DOLLAR is unlikely for a Greaser - but even factoring the original debris having worn away, I'm still leery about calling it 1BE. With that much of the original material worn away, I'd expect the mint mark to be clear. Heck, the only real way to match this to 1BE would be to have this and the original 1BE under magnification, side by side, to compare little die markers. And that would likely match 1BE to another known VAM, eliminating it. Keep in mind, VAMming is still very much an incomplete effort. It may always be a work in progress. Only a very few dates have been researched with any real completeness, and even those still have additional VAM designations still happening. |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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This looks like a strike through grease, and I do not see how its the V-BE. If you are trying to sell it you may wish to send it to ANACS for attribution 1st.
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United States
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I think I see a D here. Do you? Only visible in pictures. Am confused now. Should I try to attribute a different VAM number and just have it as an error? I'm not a member of any TPG.   Only visible in pictures. I'm not a member of any TPG  |
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United States
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I now have the ANACS submission forms. I also have an ANACS certified struck through that only states Struck Through on the label. What appears on the label if there is no VAM # for a particular struck through coin, but I want one? Thanks all |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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All Morgan and Peace dollars are VAM's its a matter of "What VAM" ANACS has no membership fees and they attribute all VAM's It may take a few more days if you have not ID'ed the coin but John Roberts is a very...and I mean VERY capable attributor! |
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Question, Russ, as this has always bothered me: How does grease, a liquid, not level in a die under 150 tons of pressure? Is metal flowing into the die faster than the grease is capable of moving? Certainly, it would move after the first strike or two; how are multiple strikes of non-level "greasers" possible?
This is not an intuitive explanation to me.
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Valued Member
United States
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Thanks guys.
I am going to utilize ANACS for this and other coins too. Seems the best route. Too much time spent otherwise.
You all always solve my coin problems.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Dave, keep in mind that "machine grease is dense" and when it is heated or stressed it can become clumpy. A good coin to look at is the later die state of the 1888 O VAM-1a2. This coin has a Grease Filled Die in "TRUST" on the reverse. I have owned a few die states of this coin and you can see though its progression that it was grease. Even water on the die's can create low spots in a strike. The dies strike hard and water or grease moves at a given speed. I think the strike was faster. A second coin to look at it the 1880 P Super CD VAM-32a the reverse of this VAM is almost always seen with patchy "grease" strike thought's" as well as almost all have the viewers left wing root with "no detail" Something was on the die. That patchy spots seem to move around as well. I have at one time owned 4 of them and not 1 was the same as the other. My current one has a full detailed wing root and "no grease filling" |
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If John Robert's can't VAM this then it's worth sending in to Leroy Van Allen I'd guess, John is one of the very best of VAM pickers and attributers, He has an encyclopedic memory for them. You definitely want to put on the paper the VAM you believe this to be and if necessary you may want to pay for any research fee they might need shouldn't be more than $10.00 beyond the variety designation and grading fee, well worth it on a coin like this, with a bunch of potential value possible if it is indeed the 1BE. However I'm not seeing all the other diagnostics for the 1BE on this example, unless it is a very different die state, it is a possible one off strike through, IMO. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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