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Buying Cleaned Dollars

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As some of you may have read in my posts I am an extremely active hunter of canadian silver dollars and their varieties,
Today I went to my LCS and searched their dollar box for new varieties that I didn't have and I found 5 coins that I wanted
A 1956 dollar with a die crack

A 1937 double HP and 3 1947 blunt dollars with different varieties but all 3 were cleaned.

My questions are.
The coins were in ms 63,ms 60 and ms 60 but all cleaned.
Can a cleaned coin get an ms grade?
Is half price a good price for these cleaned coin?
Feel free to call me Will.
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Cleaned coins can get MS grades, but it will have a comment saying "Cleaned" (At ICCS).

Hard to say if half price is good. Some collectors won't even consider a cleaned coin.
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I usually DONT but consider cleaned coins but I'm hooked on the varieties.
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I was under the impression the grading companies will not assign a grade and return the coin body bagged whatever that is? Is there a difference of how the top grading companies treat cleaned coins? Also what does double HP mean?
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It is the initials under the portrait of king George VI
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If I was you I would be patient and wait until you find the variety's you want that are original coins regardless of the grade. The "cleaned" coins in your collection will always be the coins you wish you never acquired. I would much rather have a original EF dollar than a cleaned MS dollar. Also if we as collectors are reluctant to purchase cleaned dollars, maybe this will help detour others from cleaning coins as this will make them hard to sell.
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Quote:
I was under the impression the grading companies will not assign a grade and return the coin body bagged whatever that is?

PCGS used to return cleaned coins. Now, they will give them a "Details" Grade.
Example
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1878-8TF-MO...em43c347b2c3

ICCS Will give a numeric grade, as well as "Cleaned"
Example
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1901-Canada...0984d&_uhb=1
Edited by Canadian-Banknotes
12/21/2013 7:58 pm
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Thanks for the advice everyone. I am think I'll keep the $450 it would have cost and buy a 1953 NSF ms64 dollar instead and then put the rest in the 1848 fund.
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I'm guessing you meant the 1948 fund. I have one of those funds too.
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Any coin of significant value if it is up for sale, needs an accurate grade, with the comment 'cleaned' used somewhere in the description.

Trouble is, it is almost impossible for an intending buyer to know to what extent the cleaning may have on the value.
In any purchase, the 'caveat emptor' rule applies.
Therefore and accurate picture of the coin showing the cleaning is needed, for the intending buyer to make his own mind up as to what he would like to pay for it.
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I use the 50% rule as the starting point for a cleaned coin. Discount even further if it's harshly cleaned, visible to the casual glance etc. Obviously I prefer non-cleaned coins but sometimes it's the only reasonable way to get a particularly scarce or expensive variety.
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