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The 1943 planchets that were left over were used to strike 2 franc coins for Belgium also. So that's another possibility for Philadelphia struck steel cents from 1944.
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True, but the best I know, there is no way to tell them apart from common steel planchets. Right?
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I think there is, per Wiki:

Value 0.01 U.S. dollars
Mass 2.7 g
Diameter 19.05 mm
Thickness 1.55 mm

vs.

Value 2 Belgian francs
Mass 2.75 g
Diameter 19 mm
Thickness 1.25 mm

Close...but not a perfect match, so it should be distinguishable, albeit difficult.
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Vimo, your first imperative here is to come up with an accurate weight. This must be accurate to 0.01g. Secondly, determine if there is a gold/jewelry buyer/seller on the Island who is large enough to own an XRF Analyzer - X-Ray Fluorescence is a non-invasive procedure which, in this usage, determines the alloy composition of any precious metal to include revealing plating if it's there. It's not a cheap tool, in excess of $10,000, but a high-volume precious metals dealer could be reasonably expected to have a unit because of the accuracy improvement for their business. It leaves no chance regarding the composition of what they're looking at.

Such a dealer will have the ability to both weigh and analyze your coin to the degree of accuracy necessary. It's quite possible that such a firm can be found in San Juan.
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I would say, before you went to too much time and trouble, you should post them here to see if they pass the "sniff test"

Take some clear, close up pictures and post them. There are enough Wheat cent experts here, to tell you if it is a plated novelty or a counterfeit. I would say that if it passes the visual " sniff test " here, then you can drive, test, have examined and send it off. One step at a time, don't just jump to PCGS (expense) with it.
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Also did the magnet test and yessss it sticks to the magnet!

Does it just stick to the magnet, or does it JUMP to the magnet?

An accurate weight is an important test, as Dave said in grams to two decimal places.


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I think there is, per Wiki:

Value 0.01 U.S. dollars
Mass 2.7 g
Diameter 19.05 mm
Thickness 1.55 mm

vs.

Value 2 Belgian francs
Mass 2.75 g
Diameter 19 mm
Thickness 1.25 mm

Close...but not a perfect match, so it should be distinguishable, albeit difficult.

Nope,both coins used the same planchets. The Weight Tolerance range can account for the slight reported difference in weight spec, and the collar they are struck in determines the diameter. A "Belgium" planchet struck in a cent collar will have the same diameter as a cent. Thickness specifications are meaningless on struck coins, it can only be applied to the strip they are punched from.
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Does it just stick to the magnet, or does it JUMP to the magnet?


Yes, that is also what I was wondering. However, when you do this, put something very thin in between the coin and the magnet so you won't damage the coin.
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This is fantastic!! How awesome would this be?
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Lucky you if true! In the half million LWC I have gone through last year; I found 3 or 4 dozen zinc plated copper coins with dates from 42 to 58. None of them passed the magnet and weight test. I also have about a dozen copper plated 43s. All of which DO pass the magnet and weight test.
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Secondly, determine if there is a gold/jewelry buyer/seller on the Island who is large enough to own an XRF Analyzer - X-Ray Fluorescence is a non-invasive procedure which, in this usage, determines the alloy composition of any precious metal to include revealing plating if it's there. It's not a cheap tool, in excess of $10,000, but a high-volume precious metals dealer could be reasonably expected to have a unit because of the accuracy improvement for their business.


Actually, EDXRF is primarily a surface technique, especially on solid materials. It's not good for determining if something is plated. You're a little off on the price. LOL We just bought a new instrument in December and it was $77,000.
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The most likely scenario is the coin was either plated with a white metal, rubbed with some mercury or painted. I cannot rule out a cast fake either. We saw a cast fake 1943 copper on LCR last summer. Kids in days past used to often coat Lincolns with loose mercury before anyone knew how toxic it was. It could always be real. All the suggestion thus far are great. Weight 2-3 decimal places out. But as stated, a good picture would help tremendously. In fact I wouldn't prepare do anything with it until you get usable photos up.
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A June 21, 2001 press release stated the following:
ICG Grades Finest Known 1944 Steel Cent.
The article goes on to explain who owns it, where purchased, when purchased, etc. Also, with the article was a photo in the ICG slab and graded as MS64, and noted as from the William R. Sieck Collection.
With such proof of this coins existance, again I would like to strees to be carefull of what you do with it, who you show it to, how to handle it. For the small amount of money you would invest to send it to a compamy like PCGS or NGC via registered mail would be the smartest thing to do.
Spending time trying to weigh it or pick at it may not prove anything. Any local personal that could or would test it may well never give it back. Your possibly handling something worth many thousands of dollars so be carefull.
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How much would the total cost be to send it to PCGS or NGC? (ballpark)
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NGC

100K "Walkthrough".....................125
250K "High Value Walkthrough"..........250
"Unlimited Value Walkthrough".....600

Plus $8 for "handling", $65 for the "Photo Proof" service and return mail (based on value, I don't have the table handy.

Call it $200...
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