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Groszy Pillar of the Community United States 589 Posts	Posted 02/01/2014 4:31 pm I'm needing some assistance from some of you more-experienced-than-I coin people. Trying to learn how to tell the difference between a run of the mill Roosevelt and a Roosevelt with full bands. Over the course of some dime roll searching, I've found the following (2013, 2012, 2011) that I'm fairly certain are full bands (large photos, tried to magnify and photograph the best I could): And upon searching a couple rolls that hadn't seen the light of day for 35+ years from my folk's basement, I've come across ones that I'm not sure about. I'm fairly certain I can see a split, but I'm not sure if that split is decent enough for a FB classification: Let me know what you think. Am I on the right track, or not. Also: if any of the pictures are too blurry for a proper diagnosis, I'll do my best to retake them (just let me know what specific pictures, please) Report this Post to the Staff

basebal21 Bedrock of the Community 13014 Posts	Posted 02/01/2014 5:49 pm NGC defines the full torch designation as follows: Quote: The designation FT for Full Torch will be applied to Roosevelt dimes having both upper and lower pair of horizontal bands split as well as the vertical lines of the torch being defined. The FT designation will not apply to proof coins. So basically you need both the bands to be split and every line on the torch to be there. For modern dates like the ones you found I would guess almost all of the nice coins will have this. It will most likely be the older Roosevelt dates where its less common and carries a premium like the FB on Mercury dimes. Report this Post to the Staff
smokeriderdon Pillar of the Community United States 3755 Posts	Posted 02/01/2014 8:40 pm The second and third pics fit the guidelines pretty well. Use those two as comparison pieces for future finds. As basebal said, its the older coins, pre 90's, that are going to be hard to find with FT. Report this Post to the Staff
Groszy Pillar of the Community United States 589 Posts	Posted 02/02/2014 02:05 am I know the older ones are necessary, but I'd rather also like to collect a nice FB (at least) amount of modern ones as well. I've read that NGC's FT is tougher tan PCGS's FB, and that's the one I'm focusing on at the moment, since FT has to be FB, but FB doesn't have to be FT. Am I to take it though, that the basement coins (which are from the 70's, one roll had up to 1982 in it, and they're the last few pictures), are FB? I know the top band on all of them is very well defined (even if a few pictures are too blurry up there), I'm more asking if the lower bands are proper for FB, or if they're too worn. Report this Post to the Staff
basebal21 Bedrock of the Community 13014 Posts	Posted 02/02/2014 02:56 am Quote: I've read that NGC's FT is tougher tan PCGS's FB, and that's the one I'm focusing on at the moment, since FT has to be FB, but FB doesn't have to be FT. Its the same thing NGC just calls it a different name while PCGS kept the name from the Merc Dime Series. PCGS definition is as follows: Quote: The PCGS "Full Bands" designation for Roosevelts requires that both the upper and lower pair of bands on the torch be distinct and show full separation. The line dividing the bands must be complete and unbroken. Same thing as NGC they just have a different name for it. Those pictures are hard to tell from really, need something dead on with the coin in focus. Most look good from the pictures but its also making some assumptions that strikes continued how they appear in focus. But theres no the separation has to be good enough to get the classification. If theres complete separation its FB or FT whatever you want to call it. Theres no minimum distance it needs to be separated it just need to have clear separation. Report this Post to the Staff
Groszy Pillar of the Community United States 589 Posts	Posted 02/02/2014 9:03 pm That's what I had thought too, that so long as the bands are split, it'd be a split band. What confused me about it was the post about the 1982 no P grading challenge, https://goccf.com/t/168684&, since it didn't carry the designation of FB, even though PCGS graded it (not to mention the fact that another member said he thought it was one of them ("Do they give an FSB or full torch designation on these? If so, add that too.") That's why I'm curious, it confused me. Report this Post to the Staff
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