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Dear community forum people,

My father found this coin some weeks ago here in the Netherlands. It looks like an chinese Cash coin but because my Chinese aint that good I hope someone of you could tell me more about this coin.
And what does an chinese coin in the Netherlands? Don't know any trade between the Netherlands and the Chinese in the Past. Or the coin aint old but more as an souvenir.

I don't know I hope you could tell me more...
Diameter is 28 mm the Signs I can't explain :)

Best wishes,

Vincent

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 Posted 01/03/2014  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add schris252 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
looks like a feng shui coin to me. commonly come in 28mm diameter and the markings look similar. it is novelty coin.
http://www.aliexpress.com/store/pro...2210922.html
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 Posted 01/03/2014  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add allranger to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hard to read some of the charactors but it sure looks like a Board of Reveune 1 Cash minted under Emperor Sheng Tsu (1662-1722).
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 Posted 01/03/2014  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
http://www.calgarycoin.com/referenc...m#kang%20hsi

Allranger was correct. It's a common 17th/18th century coin and worth a Euro or two.

As for how the coin came to be in the Netherlands, the old "cash" coins became demonetized after the end of the dynastic era in 1912. China was a major world power from the middle ages through about the 19th century, and had the resources to make billions of these coins, which were sturdy enough to withstand centuries of circulation. The locals unloaded these coins on tourists by the ton in the 20th century when tourists were allowed to visit the country.

Your coin was most likely carried around by someone as a curiosity (or to school for show and tell), and was probably dropped when they were getting something out of their pocket.
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Thanks for the comment on my chinese coin. It is very rare to find such a coin on the acres I am searching in the Netherlands. Do you also have any idea what the different characters on the coin mean, although I know I cannot ask from you to translate Chinese for me. Thanks a lot.
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Vince, click on the link in finn's post, should be the top coin (S-1419). The front (your second pic) has the name of the emperor. The back (your first pic) has the mint location.
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Moved this to World coins, the experts here may be able to help with further identification
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So did cash coins from many eras and emperors circulate alongside each other for hundreds of years, or were there recalls, hoarding etc.?
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So did cash coins from many eras and emperors circulate alongside each other for hundreds of years, or were there recalls, hoarding etc.?

For the most part, coins continued to "circulate" until they were too badly damaged to be useful. Remember, a cash coin isn't too valuable just by itself. The vast majority of them "circulated" while tied up in bundles of 100 coins. A coin tucked inside a string of coins isn't going to wear much, but the hole might eventually wear through.

The Ming Dynasty was largely a paper-money-powered economy, with coinage issues fairly scarce. So the cash coins circulating in 19th century China were almost exclusively Qing Dynasty coins. But they could have been issued pretty much at any time during the Qing Dynasty. They tended to be whichever coins had the highest mintages. The Qian Long period (1735-1796) was both long and prosperous, so mintages were very high; those coins tend to be the ones most commonly found, both in China and outside.

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And what does an chinese coin in the Netherlands? Don't know any trade between the Netherlands and the Chinese in the Past

It could have come to your shores by any number of means. Chinese traders, merchants and fortune-seekers took cash coins with them wherever they went, both as familiar means of currency they could pay each other with, as well as the ritual and religious significance that had become attached to the coins over their 2000 year long history. Cash coins can easily be found in Southeast Asia, India and even the goldfields of California, Australia and New Zealand. Many Chinese merchants made their home in Indonesia and some of their descendants no doubt came to the Netherlands during or after the period of Dutch colonial rule over Indonesia. They, I think, are the most probable source of your coin.

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Do you also have any idea what the different characters on the coin mean, although I know I cannot ask from you to translate Chinese for me.

Translating isn't a problem. Though I can't speak or read Chinese, I do have books on the subject of interpreting Chinese coins.

The front of the coin is your bottom picture, rotate it 90 degrees anticlockwise to make the picture "right way up". The four Chinese characters are then read, in the order top-bottom-right-left, as "Kang Xi tong bao". Kang Xi was the reign-name of the emperor; tong bao simply translates to "current coin".

On the back are two words written in Manchu script. The word on the left that looks like 999 written sideways is the word "boo", meaning mint. The other word is the name of the mint, in this case "Chiowan", meaning Revenue, the name of the government department that owned that particular mint.
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The Chinese coin I found near a place where once was a medieval castle (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...lenburg.jpg) On this castle wealthy members of the Bicker family lived (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andries_Bicker) , they helt important positions in the city of Amsterdam and were traders in the VOC (United East India Company). This might have brought this coin to this acre.
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The front of the coin is your bottom picture, rotate it 90 degrees anticlockwise to make the picture "right way up". The four Chinese characters are then read, in the order top-bottom-right-left, as "Kang Xi tong bao". Kang Xi was the reign-name of the emperor; tong bao simply translates to "current coin".


Sap is correct. The correct orientation of the coin should be:
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Kangxi(康熙) - the second emperor of the Qing Dynasty, he ruled 1662-1722.
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