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2000 D Sacagawea Counterfeit

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Hello all, got this SAC Dollar on my weekly hunt and I think it maybe counterfeit. It has the look of the one on smalldollars.com. The color of the reverse is also the same as the obverse. I am not at home to weigh it but will later this AM. Also does anyone know what the counterfeit ones weigh so I can check it against this one. Thank you for the help.
Edward M.

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Here is a great site for small dollars.Click on counterfeits
http://www.smalldollars.com/index.html#sacagawea
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I am by FAR not an expert...but the zeros in 2000 in your coin look far rounder than the ones in the image of the counterfeit. My guess is that you're is legit
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I have never seen a gold dollar with that color. I think it is real, though. From a numismatic standpoint, Why would you go through all the time and money to fake gold dollars?
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Fake nickels exist....the economics of producing anything counterfeit has no bearing on if it can happen or not. Some people do it just to say they did. In this case though...it is a foreign country that is the culprit.

Look up Iranian Super Notes....if you are unaware of this it will shock you. It is the main reason why the $100 note was redesigned, and not because it needed a facelift. If you are over the age of 30 (based on when these notes were circulating) and ever handled reasonable numbers of $100 notes...you have likely transacted a deal with a counterfeit "super note"...quite scary.
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CoinCollector: The American dollar coins circulate widely in other countries in the Americas. It is in those countries that the fakes are made. Sometimes they find their way back to the United States.
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I believe that coin is real. Have you weighed it yet? I have spent several dollars with similar colour
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Well, these dollars are not as hearty as past dollars. These weigh 8.1 grams and have a copper core with ou ter layers of manganese brass. According to Red Book, the comp is .770 Cu, .120 Zn, .070 Mn, and .040 Ni. Their diameter is 26.5 mm.

Hope this helped.
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I have never seen a gold dollar with that color


Ive seen ones that look similar to that color. They look pretty nasty when they circulate
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The manganese in the alloy makes them turn all funky colors when they circulate. I would guess that coin spend a lot of time in Ecuador, where they are heavily used ever since they dollarized.
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I have gotten coins that look like this in change. No big deal.
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Looks real to me.

These change color when circulated.
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Gotta love how the government tells you it's a GOLD dollar coin after they toss in everything including the kitchen sink!
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maybe Edward M can tell if his coin has the clad layers

which if difficult to see on these coins but not impossible like regular clad dimes and quarters
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The color of this coin is not unusual. If you handle enough of the dollar coins they turn all sorts of strange colors. That is the bad thing about the dollar composition. It does not age gracefully. I believe that this is genuine.
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Here is the edge. The copper part seams a little lower than the manganese layer on some of the edge. Also between the two layers it feels like a valley. Maybe. Just soaked in acid? I go through $100-200 of Sacs and Pres dollrs every two weeks looking for errors and this is the first one I have seen this color.

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