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How To Clean Coins That Look Like This?

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 Posted 01/11/2014  05:02 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mashisback to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi guys,

If you can see in the pic, I have a handful of half pennies that I would like to clean to go in my collection.

What is the blueish stuff? I see this a lot on coins that have been outside, is it a reaction with rain water?

There are a couple of dates in there I need for my collection, how is best to get this off without damaging the coins?

Thanks

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 Posted 01/11/2014  06:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First of all, you value each of them, to consider which ones are worth the effort to clean properly.
The standard instruction after that, is then NOT to clean those identified as worth the effort!

Almost certainly, they will loose value if you do.
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 Posted 01/11/2014  07:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The bluish-green powder is "bronze disease". It forms from a combination of moisture and atmospheric conditions. It is highly contagious; if particles of the green powder jump from coin to coin, they can cause new outbreaks to form on previously uncorroded coins. So do NOT store powdery green coins with any other coins in a jar or box where they can jostle together.

A coin affected by bronze disease will look "cleaned", no matter how you try to clean them. If the bronze disease is old and deep, the resultant cleaned coin will be pitted. Acids (like vinegar or lemon juice) will remove the green but also attack the rest of the coin surface including the brown oxide layer you would prefer not to remove; an acid-dipped bronze coin is entirely pink, and quite ugly. Alkalis (like ammonia or caustic soda) are better at removing the green without removing the brown, but I've found them to cause the areas where the green was removed to turn bright orange, creating a mottled orange-brown pattern which can be even worse than acid-pink. I've found pH-neutral chelating agents (such as disodium EDTA) to be best at removing the green without causing too much further disruption.

Some proprietary compounds, such as BadThad's Verdi-Care, don't remove the corrosion but rather mask over it: they soak into the green powder, rendering it harmless, forming a chemical barrier to prevent further corrosion and making the bright green corrosion by-products darker and less visible.

Unless the damaged coins are scarce dates you can't otherwise buy cheaply, or they otherwise have some sentimental value to you personally, I'd really recommend not adding those blue dudes to your main collection.
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The Bluish Green powder isn't actually Bronze Disease (well,I suppose its a kind of bronze disease) - its actually Copper Sulphate, these coins have probably reacted with sulfur in rainwater from weak acid rain. The mechanism is about the same, but BD in its common form is Copper Chloride.

A good test for Copper Sulphate would be to heat one in the oven. The blue comes from hydrated copper sulphate, green being annhydrous copper sulphate. The oven will render the water from it and turn it green.

To fix it? The coins wont ever be worth much now, but any key dates or rarities should be removed, a specialist would be able to save those properly. The rest, I recommend using distilled water and a brush to remove the power, then bathe in a solution of baking powder or bicarb to neutralise and then bake to remove the water. Its not as if any pennies of this period are worth anything (hundreds of thousands of problem free ones exist and this should be a good excuse to see if Cillit Bang actually cleaned coins how it says it does).
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 Posted 01/14/2014  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mashisback to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys, I have a few there to experiment with, I will let you know if I find any worked really well
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 Posted 01/22/2014  06:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
drop the blue one in lemon juice it will take it of no problems then give it a spray with olive oil
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