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Difference Privy, Mintmaster, Mint Official, Moneyer

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 Posted 01/12/2014  10:20 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Chilian to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Can anyone explain to me the difference between a privy, mintmaster, mint official and moneyer?
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I assume you are talking about mintmarks that appear on coins of certain countries. Early French coins, for example, often have three different marks on them: the mintmark (which might be "A" for Paris), and two privy marks, one for the mintmaster of the mint and one for the engraver who made the dies.

"Privy marks" are traditionally mintmarks that do not have a clear or obvious meaning; they are "hidden", with meanings known only to those who put the marks there. The "privy marks" on modern french coins, for example, are special symbols: the cornucopia (which symbolises the Paris Mint) and the personal privy mark of the mint director (currently a pentagon with letters inside). On some Australian coins of 1966, on the other hand, the various mints used "privy marks" whereby they slightly changed the details on the die, as a hidden mintmark: a claw, hair or feather might be made slightly longer or shorter. "Privy mark" has also been used recently in another sense; some Perth Mint bullion coins are given "privy marks" to make them commemorative, limited-edition coins. These are not true privy marks.
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Looking back to 17th century England, The Royal Mint was run by a Master of The Mint. The Master was responsible for producing coin to the agreed specifications (weight and purity) and quantities, which were generally laid down by law.

In later years the post of Master of The Mint became a position of honour more than a practical job. Isaac Newton for example was Master between 1699-1727.

Obviously the day-to-day management was done by various officials who would look after different aspects of the Mint's operation. There are of course a variety of different stages and processes involved in making coins so the officials (under the Deputy Master) might manage the engravers, die makers and finances of the operation. The actual making of coins was done by moneyers, also called coiners.

In earlier centuries the operation was smaller in scale and the moneyer would be in charge of the whole process and responsible to the crown. If you look at early silver pennies struck in England you might see they have the King's name on the portrait side and name of the moneyer on the reverse.

In England the Worshipful Company of Goldsmiths are charged with checking that coins meet the set purity and weight requirements. It used to be that the Master of The Mint would require a private (privy) mark to be incorporated into the design of coins so that each batch checked could be identified in case of problems.

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Wonderful, thanks to you both Tom and Sap.
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