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that is one wild looking Morgan!
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United States
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I see an environmentally damaged Morgan that has been artificially toned. No thanks.  |
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United States
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I think if you look at the close-ups of the pics you'll see hairlines from being cleaned. I saw some across her face and in the field in front of her face. On the reverse look at the left hand side of the coin--by the wreath, field and under the letters in America.  with the artificial toning assessment made by Moe -MV |
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Artificially toned but a beauty at that  |
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That's what I was getting at..the AT.
That's what the holder should say before IC.
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They ausually only put a single designation for a details coin with the worst offense being the one listed. Cleaning seems to almost always win out
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NGC apparently thought the cleaning was more egregious than the AT, I would vehemently disagree with that assessment. The problem is that the slab label is not big enough to fit both IMPROPERLY CLEANED and ARTIFICIAL TONING. The slab designation could be interpreted as inadvertently legitimizing the toning and right on cue the seller hypes it up to the fullest- Quote:
The color is not called into question by NGC as they do have a "artificial toning" designation. That is NOT THE CASE HERE. This is GENUINE COLOR and it EXPLODES off the coin.  |
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If anyone wants an ugly blotchy blue and purple silver dollar, just ground up some match-heads and some shampoo into a small metal cup, submerge your coin in the solution. Stick it into the oven at about 450 degrees for a couple of minutes and your coin will look similar to that nasty looking one in that NGC holder.
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Someone's figured out how to AT a coin already inside a holder?
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Someone's figured out how to AT a coin already inside a holder?
Yes, but that is a very difficult task and not in play here. This coin was most certainly AT'ed before encapsulation but NGC simply could not fit it on the label in addition to the cleaning notation. |
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This coin was most certainly AT'ed before encapsulation but NGC simply could not fit it on the label in addition to the cleaning notation. I was thinking the cleaning chemicals may have reacted afterwards, or something was done to reactivate them after being slabbed, I doubt a coin like this would get slabbed without at least a mention of questionable color. Not that it's questionable, it's absolutely AT. Then I went to NGC to look up the slab and they imaged it already colored like it is, it is a lot darker than represented on ebay, looks like a Photoshop job of boosting the saturation of colors and lighten filter applied liberally. http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/i...=2541505-001"Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
01/15/2014 2:05 pm
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I've seen some beautiful toning, but that coins looks like it was shot into the head of an alien with neon glow-in-the-dark blood, and left there for a hundred years, then dug up on a Fox alien autopsy.
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I doubt a coin like this would get slabbed without at least a mention of questionable color. Not that it's questionable, it's absolutely AT. It should be mentioned but there is no room in the label formatting for two lengthy problem descriptors. NGC had to choose between IMPROPERLY CLEANED and ARTIFICIAL TONING and IMO they chose the wrong one to list. I searched through the Heritage Archives for problem Morgans in NGC slabs and very very few listed two problems and the ones that did were short descriptors, i.e. TOOLED, DAMAGED. |
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U - G - L - Y and you ain't got no alibi, you ugly what what you ugly
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Wow. Definately looks like it's been heated
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Posted 01/14/2014 11:00 pm
