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Known (Related) Fake 8 Reales: 1777 Mexico, 1786 Lima (Ngc!)

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 Posted 01/18/2014  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The TPG Sheffield plate with the George III counterstamp is almost beyond belief. The grader must have had his eyes closed. I would love to own it and I would pay $200 for it.

But the 1805 Mo TH (the last of 7) in the Heritage auction is a new type to me and more interesting than the rather common Santiago CCC. Unfortunately the 1805 is a Class 3 modern forgery but the expression on the King's face is priceless.

One good thing has happened recently. Two Contemporary Circulating Counterfeit 8Rs (including one of John's coins) have been posted on ebay "properly described" - and they have SURVIVED being reported. In both cases, I made the case for an exemption because neither was currently considered to be a counterfeit under the law. I also indicated that they were well known counterfeit types that are over 170 years old (Class 1). I now seems that ebay will listen in cases where I can demonstrate the legality of the posed item. It is very early but it is certainly a hopeful sign that properly described Contemporary Circulating Counterfeits may eventually be accepted. This is only fair since many other CCC types are no longer pursued. This ability to claim an exemption does NOT apply to any recently made counterfeits or forgeries and does not apply to any US coins that are monetized. Those are actual counterfeits (monetized issues). These are the first two instances of a CCC being reported and actually surviving. There are quite a few CCCs that simply never get reported.

Once again I would urge all members to report every single Modern counterfeit, Numismatic forgery or fraud. As they are spotted. Also remember NOT to click the link calling the item COUNTERFEIT because that refers to Gucci bags and similar copyright issues. PROHIBITED items - Improperly described currency is the place to report so that the report is not misdirected.
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 Posted 01/24/2014  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bob, the smirking 1805... it's a rather commonly appearing Chinese job:
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These are the first two instances of a CCC being reported and actually surviving.


Someone seriously reported that? Effin moron - a gazillion precise numismatic fakes out of China, and someone's worried about a piece that's obvious and described as such?


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There are quite a few CCCs that simply never get reported.

I had presumed that they were doing (a least periodic) automated scanning for terms like "counterfeit", "replica" and similar...
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