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1875 Indian Head Cent ... Raised Dot

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It was ask if I start a post with this coin.

I took some coins to a local Indian Head cent expert.
To see if he thought any were worth sending in.

When he saw this one, he was very curious about the raised dot on the "O" in ONE on reverse.

Checking online, Red Book and Cherry pickers.
I see that the raised dot, they have so far has the
raised dot on the "N".

It is a very interesting story, how a dot was punched into a die to aid catching a employee, that was suspected of stealing coins.

From what I read there was not much information on where the dot was placed.

I read a blog where Rick Snow posted he had the discovery coin. That was posted in 2008.

I think my question would be, if two coins come up with raised dots. How would we know which is the coin used to catch the employee or could there be more than one die that was punched.

One things I don't know was how many dies would be in the press, in 1875, that was making Indian Head cents.

The story I read, the employee was caught with 33 coins in his pocket, some or all with dots.

Opinions?

as I always say .. my pictures are not the best .. coin looks pretty good in hand. And in hand the raised dot jumps right out.


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 Posted 01/16/2014  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sabre2th to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Something else to watch for!
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I see that--I have not read of a dot on the "O" before.
Maybe you could get Rick Snow's opinion on it?
There are instances of rust, die blunders, and misplaced digits on IHCs
That could be another explanation.
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I know one year in the 19th century the Mint put a dot on a particular face value coin to catch a Mint employee who was stealing.
I think it worked but I can't remember the year of face value.
THAT would be the type of coin to have.
But a quick look at Snow's book doesn't show this variety.

Another more likely option would be die damage.
It this is the case there should be more around.
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I have seen this coin and read the story behind it and I found it very interesting. The RedBook does not list the values for the coin though.
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The Red Book has a note for the 1875 having a raised dot.

The raised dot put on the die, to catch the mint employee is
for the year 1875.

I explained that in my first post.

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I guess I was writing while you were posting.

From what little I read, there have not been many found. Maybe just the one,
with the dot on the "N".

I would imagine that dot would wear off quickly. Also not sure how much detail is known. Like where the dot was placed and what they did, or tried to do with the coins that were made with the dot. Before releasing them into circulation.
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One things I don't know was how many dies would be in the press, in 1875, that was making Indian Head cents.

One pair of dies per press. The Mint did not start using dual and quad die arrangements until the latter halfof the 20th century. (Today they are back to using single die presses striking horizontally instead of vertically, but at much higher speeds. 750 strikes per minute instead of 60 - 100 strikes per minute. Hence the reason for extremely shallow relief dies. There is no time for the metal to "flow" into the die recesses if the relief was higher.)
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I looked and looked but could never find any mention of the dot appearing anywhere but the N . Like someone mentioned, probably have to contact Snow.
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Thanks for posting this...quite interesting, imo.
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Good information Conder.

So that takes one of my thoughts away ... That maybe there could have been more than one die.
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