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Hey Jbuck, I Think I Found A Vending Machine For Halves

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Okay, the title for this thread was going to be "Hey jbuck, I think I found a vending machine capable of accepting halves"

Anyway, remember how I posted about a Walmart vending machine that was capable of fitting a half in its coin slot, but every time I wanted ti try a half in the machine, the coin slot was jammed by other coins for a long time, that I suspected was someone else putting halves in that machine? Well, that machine was unjammed a while back, and I tried a half in that machine, and the half went through the coin slot perfectly, but then it dropped into the rejection tray below.

I asked a Walmart manager if they could make this vending machine accept the half if they added a half tube, and flipped a switch, like how the vending machines made after 1979 were made to accept SBAs and all the vendors had to do to accept the dollar coin, was add a dollar tube and flip a switch, and she said "I don't know. You would have to talk to the vending industry about that" and I said "Well, the machine says " Walmart" on it" and she said "I know, but the vending industry is still responsibe for the vending machines" I did tell her about how I know their self checkout machines accept halves, and she just said "Yep, the self checkout accept halves"

So anyway, to the point. jbuck, is it possible that this vending machine that fits halves in it's coin slot, has the ability to accept halves if a half tube is added, and a switch were flipped, like the case with the dollar coin?
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 Posted 01/24/2014  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add basebal21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fox they all could accept halfs if they wanted, thats never been the problem though. The point youre missing is that it costs them money to do so. They arent going to spend money on an unnecessary expense that would cost them millions with no benefit for a coin that rarely gets used.
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Now basebal21, we've been through this discussion before, about the vicious circle where "Consumers don't use halves because vending machines don't accept or dispense them" and "Vendors don't upgrade their machones to accept halves because consummers don't carry them" So, one of the two sides has to break the circle in order for the half to circulate.

Dollar coins are not carried around by people either, yet most vending machines take them, or are made to take them, even though, from what I have been reading and hearing, there is almost a ZERO percent chance of the $1 bill going anywhere, and I do believe that halves have a way better chance of circulating than dollar coins, if vending machines accepted and dispensed them for two reasons. 1) Most people in the U.S. prefer $1 bills over dollar coins, and 2) Halves are "fractional" currency, and fractional currency in the form of coins seems more widely accepted than non-fractional currency in the form of coins, such and $1,$2, and/or $5 coins.
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The only hope I see for halves ever coming back into wide spread use is for the cent to go away. The only reason I use them is to spread them around so I can get fresh stock to search, I've even started dumping them at a different bank from the one I pick them up from, not just a different branch of the same bank because they would just re-roll them and give them back to me.
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Hmmmm I wonder if the outside pop machine at the local grocery store will take dollar coins and half dollar coins.


If I happen to jam the machine I won't get in trouble since my mom owns the store---of course the people who use the machine might get irritated with me

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I think the USA needs a Spanish-style reform of all coins, but it won't happen. If I was American I'd be really mad about this and I would try to agitate my elected representatives, but as a Canadian I can just stare blankly.
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So anyway, to the point. jbuck, is it possible that this vending machine that fits halves in it's coin slot, has the ability to accept halves if a half tube is added, and a switch were flipped, like the case with the dollar coin?
If it fits and has a place to go that is counted as acceptable (not a reject slot) then it should work. Sounds like the machine is not fully configured to accept half dollars. It may be by choice, since they do not want to hassle with them. I honestly do not know.
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So as I understand this is vending machines should all be made to accept coins that are no longer used anywhere. Same situation would be to make all vending machines take the $0.20 piece. And as long as we are at it, why not make all vending machines capable of taking the Lrrge Cent, 2 Cent piece, 3 Cent Piece and a 3 dollar bill should one be made.
The half is used about the same as most of the ones I just mentioned.
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So as I understand this is vending machines should all be made to accept coins that are no longer used anywhere. Same situation would be to make all vending machines take the $0.20 piece. And as long as we are at it, why not make all vending machines capable of taking the Lrrge Cent, 2 Cent piece, 3 Cent Piece and a 3 dollar bill should one be made.


Hey Einstein, the 20 cent, 3 cent, 2 cent, (and you somehow managed to leave out the "half" CENT and the large dollar coin), are NOT "still in production" The half DOLLAR IS. If you do not believe me, then go to the U.S. Miny's website a http://www.usmint.gov and you will find all the proof you need. And don't give me that bull about the half dollar not being made for general circulation anymore, because, neither are dollar coins, and they are still making them regardless.


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The half is used about the same as most of the ones I just mentioned.


Oh, gee, and what about the small dollar coin? No one carries or uses those, yet vendors DID make most of their machines set up to take them. AND what about the penny? That coin is in wide circulation, yet most vending machines are NOT set up to accept them.
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Hey Einstein, the 20 cent, 3 cent, 2 cent, (and you somehow managed to leave out the "half" CENT and the large dollar coin), are NOT "still in production" The half DOLLAR IS.


Its really not still in production. Collector only issues you have to pay a premium for do not count. Thats like expecting people to spend proof coins at face value.


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No one carries or uses those, yet vendors DID make most of their machines set up to take them.


They did so years ago. Its costs more money to undo then to just leave it and let it never be used.
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Its really not still in production. Collector only issues you have to pay a premium for do not count. Thats like expecting people to spend proof coins at face value.


Not so, basebal21. There are syill plenty of halves around from when they "were" made for circulation. People could still use those. And from what I read before, people isually by the mint sewn bags just to cgeck for error halves, then dump the rest off at the bank that they don't want, that are only worth fifty cents.

Also, by your logic, you would have to agree with me that, dollar coins are no longer in production either.
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People could still use those.


But they dont


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Also, by your logic, you would have to agree with me that, dollar coins are no longer in production either.


Its not still in production, no one has ever tried to argue that it is. Things set up to take it are cheaper to leave as they are then spend money changing them
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So my last response was a little short which I didnt really mean to come off that way. Its just that this often turns into a round about discussion of what could be. What could be and what are are entirely different things. Lots of things could happen but it doesn't mean they have a chance too.

Ive got nothing against you Fox, you seem like a nice guy which the world could use more of. Its just that youre going about this the wrong way. You see a problem and are trying to attack it with massive change from the top, things dont work that way and theres no chance of that happening.

You need to be going about it at a grass roots level. Presidential candidates dont get elected by speaking to the nation as a whole, they get elected and build money with their trips through small towns and speaking to individual groups. Thats the mentality you need to have to try and bring back the half. The bottom line is if it has wide spread usage the vending machines and everything else will follow suit. They dont care what money people use, just that they spend their money with them. Whatever people like to use theyll adapt too, but they will not be trend setters.

If you really want to try and revive it spend it when you can, start a web page for other people who want to see the half back where you can share ideas and recruit new members to spend it as well, get your friends to spend it, talk to the local library about setting up a US half dollar display, bring up spending them more at a coin club meeting, give them out with candy at holloween to get kids interested, start a face book page, tweet about it, get on social media ect. Real grass roots starting small type of ideas where if successful would spread from your town to the next and the next and so on.

Its going to take years to be successful (probably a complete redesign as well) but you have to start small and build momentum. Trying massive over night fixes just assures nothing will come of it. Right now youre just one guy asking for while they have data of 300+ million people who couldnt care less and dont use it. You cant win that fight with the numbers where they are today no matter how many letters you write or how many calls you make. You have to get those numbers to start moving towards your side or at least even the playing field a little bit with other initiatives before you can expect any success from going to the industry giants asking them to make changes.
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Its okay, basebal21 I never believed you had anything against me, just as I've never had anything against you.

You have some good ideas, a lot of which I'll admit, I'm not smart enough to do. however, I just thought I had a ray of shining hope, when I talked to Eric Dell, because he is the Senior Vice President, Government Affairs at National Automatic
Merchandising Association, and like I said, he was going to propose the idea to the President of NAMA, if I remember correctly. I emailed him again, early this morning about the issue, but don't forget, this issue is not just about halves, but $2 bills as well.

As you mentioned, I have always liked the idea, as you know, of redesigning the half to the size of in between the nickel and quarter, and making it a soded coin. The two main reasons were 1) The vendors would not have to resize their faceplates and coin mechs, and 2) I thought that, if I want to convice the government that they are going to save money by minting more halves and less quarters, that the argument would not be valid as long as making one half uses the same amount of metals to make two quarters, so, if you are going to make one half to replace a couple quarters, is there really much of a point as long as they use the same amount of materials to make one heavier half, than two equal weighing quarters? Oh, theres a rgird reason about using a smaller, lighter half, as I have said: Some people do not like a lot of weight in their pockets and purses, so, if a half is lighter than two quarters, most people would probably go for it. The only reason I kind of stopped mentioning a redesign, was because I feared that the government would never step in and order a redesign of the half, and sadly enough, I called the U.S. Mint about an hour or so ago, and they said that, they don't know exactly what is going to be offered for the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy half, but it will be a type of collector set, however, there are no plans to change the designs of the main supply of halves and that the bags and rolls will be the same design as all of the past Kennedy halves are. No redesign, but I wish it would have happened, because now, the only good year to chnge the design of the half, would be next year in 2015, "after" the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy half, but hey, maybe "that" redesign is still a possibility. Maybe thats what the U.S. Mint has planned all along. You think? Hmm...

One more thing I would like to know, any anyone who wants to, can answer this: I know it has been stated that the government would save money, if they printed more $2 bills and less $1 bills, they would save money, by cutting cost productions in half, so, would minting more halves and less quarters save them money regargless of halves containing the same amount of metals as two quarters? Or would it about break even, due to using the same amounts of metals in two quarters vs. one half, unless the half were redesigned smaller? (This is assuming $2 bills and halves would circulate widely)
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Oh, and basebal21, what about my Walmart idea, if they accept my proposal to use $2 bills and halves for the rest of the year, after the agreement is a done deal, for Walmart to order $2 bills and halves from Federal Reserve banks for their cashiers to use as needed in their cash transactions until 2015? If the plan proves to even be slightly taking off, I might do the donations to charities on Walmart's behalf for as many years as I can, or as many years as they liked. I'm not sure if they would do it nationwide, but thats the only way I would agree to it, and perhaps people all over the U.S. who post on this board can tell me if they see their local Walmarts handing out $2 bills and halves, so that I know if they are sticking to their end of the deal.
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