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Pillar of the Community
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Real or fake? Hard to find examples of the reverse. THANKS   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Interesting forgery. Seems to be a CC 1/2d on a slightly cut down planchet. Tell us the date (last numeral a 5? - use a loop - its all there - use some effort) and supply a weight in grams and then convert to grains.
Could be a low three digit coin on E-Bay. Will research more after you post.
John Lorenzo
United States
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Pillar of the Community
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It has to be a "5". There is a pretty good ding but I can see the top only of the number. The line ends so I know it's not a "7". Even with my loupe and better lighting all that is there is that tiny top part of a "5".
I can't find a reverse with Britannia's right hand being so low and where the flower(?) ends.
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Pillar of the Community
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OK. The weight? In the interim - Will search my library tonight for an obverse plate match to this crude piece.
JPL
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Pillar of the Community
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Scale batteries went dead. Update when I find some fresh batteries!
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Pillar of the Community
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HoosierDaddy- Great contemporary forgery! I love it.
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Pillar of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
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OK. 116.98 grains. Dr. Addison is checking - his library is BIGGER than mine. If he comes up empty I will check. Its a $100+ English Contemporary Counterfeit 1/2d - dated 1775 on a crude pudgy nose portrait. Regals are normally at 150 grains. Allow 1-3 days from now ... check in for the final analysis ... it may be a new type. Recommendation: Don't sell it privately.
John Lorenzo
United States
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Pillar of the Community
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Thanks for the help. Where online can I find some decent research info? I have 12 to 15 more 1/2 penny coins to look over. I always thought they were "Regal"!
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Pillar of the Community
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Nothing online. Its just experience right now however ... See Stacks/Bowers. Americana 2008 (January Sale). Michael Ringo Collection of counterfeits. Search in there ... some crude pieces can bring hundreds ... current world record something like $17,000 for a non Machins Mills piece. Allow 2 more days on this piece - so far nothing ...
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Pillar of the Community
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Just looked at 2 other 1775 coins. Clear dates on these. The weights are 97.8 and 103 grains for each.
Just a thought.
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Pillar of the Community
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If you put them on E-Bay due to the counterfeit ban used the term Non-Regal (only) so it doesn't get AXED. Supply good pics with weight in grains and diameter. Call this piece Coin Z - its a generic term for a rare crude unclassified family of CC1/2d. The experts came up EMPTY on a Plate match. Put them in the U.S. Colonial section only. E-Bay will do the rest. Anything under 145 grains call it a non-regal. Good Luck.
John Lorenzo
United States
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02/11/2014 1:02 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Does that mean that the date might be wrong? I'm in NO big hurry to put them on ebay. I would like to know what I have and if they are rare or common. |
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Pillar of the Community
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Its 1775. Coin Z. Keep posting pictures ... I am only 59 years old ...
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Pillar of the Community
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Is it common on some of these to have the rims beat in to give the possible look of a thicker coin?
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Pillar of the Community
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Excellent Mr. Hoosier - not to make themselves look thicker but to make themselves look CIRCULATED. Fascinating ... yes a mint made post operation prior to the counterfeiter entering the pieces into circulation ... post if you wish for the naive and previously disinterested 1809 Penny Gilt Collectors in England <BG> who continually let these treasures go into the rank of US Yankees since they have no EAC/C4 programs in England for their youth. Their loss - our gain.
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