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1854-O Seated Liberty Dime Minted On Bad Planchet Or Plugged And What Seller Told Me

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I have had this coin for a long time my son was looking thur my Dime collection at my safety deposit box.
I had forgot I had it. Take a look at the picture and tell what you think happen to this coin.
I will tell you later what the seller of this coin told me and I got in New Orleans LA in the 80s

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 Posted 07/12/2007  10:55 am  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks post mint damage to me. Someone 100 years ago knocked a hole in it and it has normal wear along with the coin.
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This was the first coin Wild Bill Hickock threw in the air and actually hit with a bullet. *shrug*
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was he shooting .17 's or something?
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"was he shooting .17 's or something?"

yep...looks like it!

Actually, that can't be a bullet hole; the entrance would be concave, but the exit would definitely be convex, even with a very fast moving small bullet like the .17 HMR.

I can't come up with a decent explanation at this point...
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That's a bad attempt at drilling or punching a hole through a coin. The rim is out of round in that area - coins with minted flaws would be round still.
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I'd actually now say a red hot poker punched thru it in 1874 if I'm not mistaken
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Sometimes folks in that time frame would nail a coin above the door for good luck. Using pennies, usually large cents, was more prevalent, but maybe someone decided to use a dime this time for more luck.
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I'm going to have to agree with Coppercoins. The shape of the rim points to post mint damage UNLESS

Did they use collars back in 1854 for these dimes?
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Yes, coins were struck with collars since 1830s I believe. Any coin with reeding will have been struck in a collar- that is how the reeding is formed.

Definite post-mint damage and based on metal deformation and wear, the hole was started on the reverse side.
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If this is post mint damage where the tool marks If you look close in the hole it has bead of metal in it.

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Enough wear and tear from normal circulation will eventually remove tool marks.
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How hot would a poker need to be in order to poke a hole through silver. I thought is was just above 1500°F and an Iron Poker could be as hot as 2500°F. Normal wear could easily remove any toning from the Hot Poker and leave that bead of metal.
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In 1984 we had our army unit reunion was in New Orleans. Dave Shores and I went to a coin shop there.Dave want that coin so he got. the shop owner told him he had about 12 coins like that all mint 1854 and he show us an old new paper article that was date 1854. it reads the New Orleans mint get bad silver.
and it go on to say that coal some how got in to the silver and about 300 coin we affected with coal in the smelting area
Dave passed in 1997 and he didn't have any one but his wife and after the funeral we went over to his wife home she said to Dave want you to have this she gave me a US coin type Whitman book 1/2 full and that how I got that Dime

1984 I don't think the shop owner was lying to us he only asking $1.50 for the coin.Plus he had a 11 O mint coin all types from the mint with almost the same defect!
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sounds reasonable to me. I have not seen the article but it sounds OK to me
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The flat ring around the hole on the obverse makes me think the hole was punched from the reverse, possibly using a square nail.
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