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Is This 1797 Large Cent The Ultra-Rare S-121A Variety?

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 Posted 02/19/2014  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This will be last post and attempt of new pictures before I leave this thread alone until I receive an indisputable conclusion as to what my coin is.

Here goes. These are from requests for better pictures of specific areas and better pictures in general.

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More will come. My internet is being incredibly slow.

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 Posted 02/20/2014  02:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westcoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looking good for a 121a variety to me! Fingers crossed for you, let us know what you find out.
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 Posted 02/20/2014  11:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK that image lets me say it is DEFINITELY S-121. Still can't say for sure about the edge but it is looking pretty good. This variety is getting pretty close to being an R-5 now. When I got mine there were only 16 known, it's somewhere around 30 pieces now.
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More pictures. These are sequential pictures of the edge that should be clearer than the others, giving a view of the circumference of the coin. The pictures start from right in front of the lower rightmost tip of the bust.

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 Posted 02/21/2014  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to say it really does look like an S-121a, congratulations.
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I will rarely disagree with Conder, congrats
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 Posted 02/26/2014  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TJsCoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very cool!
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Well, I've asked many experts (Jack Beymer, Butternut, and Chris McCawley to name a few) about this coin, and no consensus has yet been reached. At the ANA National Money Show on Thursday, I got multiple "I don't know" 's, one "no" and one "I'm pretty sure yes." Thing is, there are a few marks on the rim that are questionable as to being grips or PMD. Butternut said that they are grips, but McCawley believes that they are just nicks in the coin. The coin is currently in the hands of McCawley as he has offered to authenticate it and possibly consign it for free. He will do this by looking at the edge under a microscope and sending it out to other experts (notably Bob Grellman) to get their opinions as well. All told, I should fond out about it in about a month. Wish me luck!
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Luck.

If McCawley and Grellman can come to a consensus on this coin, as far as I'm concerned it is proven to the highest standard possible in numismatics.
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UPDATE!

I just got an email back from Bob Grellman. Here is what he said:

"I have examined the 1797 cent and I believe it was struck on a plain edge planchet making it S-121a. My grade is AG3 sharpness net Fair-2 due to the marks on the reverse.

"I would be happy to include it in our 31 August auction with the Goldbergs in Los Angeles.

"Please let me know if this is acceptable.

"Thanks

"Bob Grellman
M&G Auctions"

So it is what I thought it was after all! I am ecstatic right now!



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Amazing!

Good job!!

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Grellman has spoken. You, sir, are a winner.
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Not bad for an original (negative) $-5 investment.
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Yeah, considering it'll fetch a 4-figure price at auction.
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Wow! Super news - Congratulations on such a great cherry pick. I thought that is what it would be.
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