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It is of the Redfield pedigree, in the original holder. A grade and a value would be excellent, because I do not know how much of a premium a Redfield pedigree is worth, although I do have some idea from ebay. If anybody can identify the VAM for me, that would be very nice as well. Thank you in advance. Images come from the ebay listing.   |
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Shes a beauty. Reverse solid 65. Obverse has a couple hits that keep this one in the 64 range however you could see a premium in the eye appeal catagory with that nice toning
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Redfield Morgans in Paramount holders seem to command a large premium. I think this one would grade about MS64 at best. I'm really not convinced Redfield Morgans are an actual value added pedigree as this "collection" was a hoard of raw Morgans in government bags, but people pay huge premiums for these black and red holders. As far as the VAM, it appears to be one of these http://www.vamworld.com/Full+t...haped+rEdit to add - It's really a nice example for a black (MS60) holder. Edited by dave700x
02/20/2014 9:01 pm
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Looks like a MS-64  to CCF! Edited by Canadian-Banknotes
02/20/2014 9:17 pm
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 with a grade of MS64 on this Morgan. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Thank you very much, gentlemen. Do any of you have any opinions as to a fair price? The seller was asking $500, but after some discussion, said he would take $400. Is that an overpayment? Much obliged.
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Edited by dave700x
02/21/2014 12:43 pm
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Thanks for the link Dave, but you will note that coin is not a Redfield, just a Paramount holdered coin. It is not graded. He said that if he sends it to NGC for grading, he will keep it for his personal collection.
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Yeah, You're right. I did a search of "Redfield" in the sold category and came up with this "Redfield era" Morgan. Truth is, if the label doesn't say Redfield, it's likely not.
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$400 is WAY too much. PCGS, NGC, and ANACS MS64 78-S coins are selling between $110 and $145. He is adding a premium for the paramount holder and toning. I wouldn't pay over $150. But I don't put a premium on that holder or the toning.
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Don't most Redfield coins hold about a $200 premium when they are in the original holder? I was thinking if $150 is a fair price for the coin, then $50 for toning, and $200 for the Redfield pedigree, $400 is right on.
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It all comes down to what you're willing to pay actually, as there is no price guide for Redfield Morgans in original Paramount holders. It's all driven by people like you who simply want one and will pay for it. I'm the same way with desirable (to me) VAM's. To me they're worth more than a VAM1 and I'll usually pay a little more than FMV for that date/ mm. |
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After a phone conversation with the seller, I agreed to buy this for $375 today, without ebay taking their cut. I am very happy, hopefully it is as nice in hand. |
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As long as you are happy with it that is the main thing.
I prefer mine not to have black muck building up, the bit not covered in crud looks lovely.
But I wouldn't pay a premium just because it came from a particular hoard either.
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Color me "cautiously optimistic," but you're placing a *lot* of faith in the ongoing value of the Redfield holder. The black holder is known to contain the lower grades encapsulated - not qualifying for MS-65 (red holders) - but this one is pretty good for the designation, probably MS-64 in-hand and I'll bet the toning would really pop under axial lighting. The Redfield Hoard had a large and widespread effect on Morgan dollar collecting. It was huge - 22,000lbs of coins - and significantly affected the availability of certain dates. The Paramount holder itself was definitive, duplicated in the size of holder chosen by both PCGS and NGC. Despite the huge numbers, though, an original Paramount holder coin carries a significance to the astute Morgan collector. So many have been cracked over the years that even a date as common as 1878-S will carry a pretty substantial premium to a certain subset of Morgan fans. So, even though this was purchased at MS65PL money, I don't think it was poorly-bought. Just niche-directed. |
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