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To Reserve Or Not To Reserve..that Is The ?

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 Posted 07/16/2007  10:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add basicbob101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
On another post a member left a comment that to use a reserve on an auction is a "red flag." I know the market place should be the final determinant of value, but only when all other variables are equal. I have auctioned items with and without a reserve, I do better with the reserve, so why is it a "red flag"?

I have tried some very nice items without a reserve and lost my shirt on them, when similar items (as similar as an uncirculated roll can be)sold for 3x the price of mine. It could be that that one sale dried up the immediate market, but without a reserve how are you to know who will be in the market that week?

I think have sold my last item at a pure auction unless I start the opening bid at what would have been the reserve.

What is your feelings or experience on this matter?
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 Posted 07/16/2007  10:34 pm  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I believe that most people including myself see it as a sign that the seller is asking way too much and will not settle for anything less. I put it in the same category as settings an opening bid too high.

One of the hardest things to do is set an opening bid at a decent price. For Morgan's and such it's easy to set it at $.99 but for odd things like road signs or booksafes I don't want someone walking away with it for a buck.

I'd look to see what the items are normally going for and set the opening bid at 10%-20% less then the closing auction price. Or start it at the least amount that you are willing to accept for an item sometimes works.
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Everyone wants a deal. Often you bid on a coin in hopes of getting it at an advantageous price. That is why they make their opening bids. Many times the reserve figure dampens buyers' enthusiasm because it greatly limits any chance of a "good deal." Psychologically, it's a killer.

Also...it seems that many times the reserve is not listed. Buyers don't bother wasting their time with bids only to be told that the "Reserve is not met." No one wants to "go fishing" for the reserve, only to find it is higher than they wanted to pay for that particular coin. Again...and absolute killer for the auction as far as I'm concerned.

If you have particularly nice material, you can probably use reserves and still do just fine, but if you are selling common stuff, I feel people will just cruise right on by looking for the right deal for them.
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 Posted 07/17/2007  09:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im not to keen on the reserve auctions and to a large degree I pass them by.

Iam way more apt to take advantage of a reasonable BIN auctions .

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Please tell me differences between starting the bidding at $100, and setting the reserve at $100. I'll start....

1. Meg gets twice as much money when your reserve auction doesn't sell.

2. Over 90% of buyers won't bid on a "Reserve not met" auction.

Anybody got any more?
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I will Only bid on a "Reserve not met" auction if I ask the reserve and they tell me...and even then 78.5% of those auctions are asking WAY too much for the item. Most are trying to instantly make more then what they paid and they are selling a Huge lot of coins in one auction.
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And when they make $20 more than they paid for it on the 5th try they get all excited.

Most never realize that they've rewarded Meg with about $15 for not finding a buyer for it the first four times.
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CEO of ebay.

She's sitting in her hot tub right now sipping champagne thinking what a great idea (for her) reserves where.
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 Posted 07/17/2007  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dan8402 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't like to bid on auctions with a reserve. If I see one, I will usually just keep looking.
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 Posted 07/17/2007  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubled_die to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I understand the buyers perspective, but I too have lost my shirt on .99 cent auctions on ebay. I'm actually just now trying to make all my auctions with starting bids that cover my breakeven. I think thats fair, but of course a potential buyer will have to take my word for it and it will probably be a rare occurance when they do.

Buyers have to understand though that there is so much material, especially common date and grade stuff, being offered on ebay that its hard to get the necessary attention to turn any profit on ebay. This goes double for true low margin dealers. And selling is expensive. You have to cover aquisition cost, selling cost and overhead. Most ebay buyers just have the attitude of naming their own price.

I'm trying to save common type coins as I buy them just to offer as a lot to better cover selling costs. I've tryed to compensate with extending my return policy, but we'll see. I've got a nice Morgan out right now where the starting bid is half of Red Book but no watchers yet. Its under seller not_enough_time_to_play. Do you think a start at half RBV is too high to attract even one bidder?
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 Posted 07/17/2007  2:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The title is your problem. You get 55 characters, you used 40...

How many people a day do you think search Morgan Dollar?

You missed them all.

How many people a day do you think put silver in their search?

You missed them all.

Thousands upon thousands upon thousands upon thousands upon thousands.... search coin (that's what you're selling isn't it... a coin?)

You missed them all.

But at least you'll get all the people that search - and and.

US Coin 1885 O Morgan silver dollar ICG MS65 Toned

You'll get at least 5 times more hits.
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Double_Die I can empathize, but if you maintain a cavalier attitude about buyers wants/desires, you are destined for disappointment on ebay. I have virtually lived there over the past four years watching Seated coin auctions and occasionally others. Older, desirable coins (in virtually any condition) and bullion do well, some final bids are downright ridiculous.

Moderns (1964 to present) have so much competition that it's hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. High-end errors, PCGS-70 and NGC-70 slabs, and outrageously toned coins are the exception.

I would like the link to your Morgan, so that I could give my personal assessment of the presentation and offer suggestions ... I may even want to place a bid!
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Double_Die,

I found the coin with Bobby's clues and noticed you revised your description to include those "key words" ... good idea. My only issue about the listing is the photo doesn't offer me the ability to judge for myself. I do trust ICG for 19th century coinage, but I can't see the nice toning and I definitely want a look at the reverse. Without these I would have moved on to other listings with your starting bid set where it is.
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 Posted 07/17/2007  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubled_die to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bobby & SeatedNut,

Good advice. I think your going back to the idea that the majority of buyers are looking for specific denominations or dates and in turn search based on those keywords. I've never put a lot of thought into the keyword thing because I believed that the majority of ebay buyers were just searching out the deals, and made distinctions only between truly rare old coin types and less valuable modern stuff. I figured the majority was sitting there looking at what was ending in the next 30 minutes, watching each item pass sniping .99 start auctions that were undervalued. That's where I was hoping they'd notice mine that lists both the RBV in the subtitle line and starting bid at half the RBV. I was hoping they'd realize getting something for half its value is a good deal and thus bid. I'll let you know how it goes.
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quote:
I think your going back to the idea that the majority of buyers are looking for specific denominations or dates and in turn search based on those keywords.


OK.... 1885 O Morgan Dollar or 1885 O Silver Dollar.... Both pretty specific.... Where's yours? Trust me, you're missing a ton of views. (every bid starts with a view)

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I figured the majority was sitting there looking at what was ending in the next 30 minutes, watching each item pass sniping .99 start auctions that were undervalued.

Only 10.7% of our last weeks auction hits (roughly 15,000) have been browsing. As you can see searching at least triples browsing. I would actually say it's more like quintuples since most of the "direct links" shown were probably originally "searchers".

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