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Dei Gratia 1799 Carolus IIIi

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I found this coin a couple of years a go with my uncle in the Netherlands. I want to know the history/if it's real and what's it worth.

On one side the coin says: DEI GRATIA 1799 CAROLUS IIII
And on the other side it says: HISPAIN ET IND REX M 8R F M

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TO CCF
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Welcome footballjos
Your coin is a Spanish Colonial 8 Reales Portrait Dollar. The legend on the obverse translates Carlos IIII, by the grace of God (Dei Gracia). The reverse translates to "king of Spain and the Indies", then the Mo mintmark showing it was struck in Mexico City, then the denomination "8 Reales" and finally the assayer initial FM for the assayer that was responsible for the fineness of the silver. 8 Reales were the coin of the world from the early 1700's through the collapse of the Spanish Empire in the New World around 1822.
As for authentic, can't tell from the photo, they are a commonly counterfeited coin and there are many specimens that are full silver weight yet may have been made outside the mints and much later than the dates indicate to satisfy the huge demand for these coins in trade with the Orient where they were the preferred coin (both Portrait dollars of Carlos III, Carlos IIII and Ferdinand VII, and the earlier version called Pillar Dollars of Phillip V, Ferdinand VI and Carlos III). They are a wonderful coin to collect by either type, by mint, by monarch, by date, however catches your fancy. There are several collectors here on the forum that can answer questions and give direction and we have several experts on counterfeits of this type to help you learn to be wary. Look up some of the old posts and jump into the addiction, we welcome you.
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@jfransch: Thx for this interesting piece of information.

Is there anyone who can verify, if it's real or not. And how much it's worth?
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As many forum readers already know we have a new book coming out in early 2015 or so (maybe - earlier) from the American Numismatic Society on these Portrait 8 Reales in terms of determining between regal and counterfeit. All the attribution tools you need will be in this book even XRF analysis interpretations.

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As many forum readers already know we have a new book coming out in early 2015 or so (maybe - earlier) from the American Numismatic Society on these Portrait 8 Reales in terms of determining between regal and counterfeit.


John, you must tell the exact date of publication here as I will order one.
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It was officially submitted on February 22. It should not take longer than a year. However it will be the first book containing TWO CDs in the rear or front cover UNLEASHING over 1000 GNL Class (1) coin varieties and photos of the other (3) Classes (Classes 2-4).
The ANS usually does a pretty good job with its advertisements ...
If Bob Gurney is up for it I told him already we can start the final book on the CC Cap and Rays which may be more difficult as there is a larger population of CCs in this counterfeit Family.
However - we could use the same framework/boiler plate information as the GNL book - which would help in its production. An early 2015 start date maybe planned after Bob takes a year off after a well deserved rest from this GNL masterpiece ... <BG>.

JPL

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