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Hey everyone - I've been lurking here for a while and finally joined. I've appreciated all the in-depth discussions - thanks!! I have a relatively decent collection of IHC (and more recently Morgans) but my passion is really for the IHC's as my father was a collector too. I have almost a complete set (sans the 69's) but have some concerns with a couple of recent ebay purchases - namely a 67/67 and a '71 (what appears to be the infamous shallow N version to boot). So - w/o further ado - the pics are below. The 67/67 looks great - the '71 is maybe a little funny but the details seem great. So - why am I concerned? The weights seem off - the 67/67 clocks in at 2.87 g and the 1871 is at 3.18 g. This is within the range of a set of 100+ other IHC's I checked but at the outer extremes - and the 67/67 is in decent shape - so it shouldn't be that light (right?). Another concern is the obverse of the 67/67 which appears shifted considerably (towards the 2 o'clock position - giving a fat rim at the 8 o'clock position). And yes - I did notice the major ding at 7:30 :-) These do pass the strong magnet test. Whatcha y'all think? I don't have any interest in getting these slabbed - but would certainly be open to any authentication I can do. Happy to add more pictures if anyone wants closer or alternate views.     Edited by happyhop
03/19/2014 1:00 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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About the magnetic testing of IHC and some other cents. Counterfeit 1955 DDO we have tested have a eddy current signature significantly different than genuine, but in the opposite direction! I suspect those fakes were purer than 88% copper! edit for.. you need IHC experts opinion on your coins the strong magnet test. probably will not apply Edited by tokenmast
03/19/2014 12:09 pm
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Thanks! Agreed on the magnetic testing - just thought I'd throw that in - its certainly not definitive in any means!
The weight issue is the perplexing one for me and what motivated me to post here - that got me worried after reading about all the counterfeits these days. That said - all the posts on counterfeits I've seen include pictures that make the counterfeits seem pretty obvious at high magnifications - I'm just worried that the technology is catching up quickly!
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote:you need IHC experts opinion on your coins.  .. DVCollector or a few other members should be along soon to let you know about these coins. EDIT -for spelling.  Edited by SHAFTA9a
03/19/2014 3:42 pm
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To @SHAFTA9a - Thanks! I'm a little surprised at the lack of response on this forum. Guess this is a more difficult question :-) Glad I could throw a tough one out there! I'd certainly appreciate input from any knowledgeable folks  Edited by happyhop
03/19/2014 5:40 pm
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Hmm...I'm not quite an "expert" although I've looked at a few IHCs.  From what I've read--both weights are within tolerances for bronze IHCs. At cursory glance, nothing 'off' jumps out at me--although the 1867 has some die misalignment issues. The 1871 is the "shallow N" type--worth a good premium! Think about it though--it would be pretty hard to fake an IHC RPD. The die setup would have to be exact--depth of RPD and sharpness of strike, etc. The 1867/67 looks good, but I'm hardly the last word. For a small fee, Rick Snow will look at your coins. I posted the details on this thread  Diagnostics on the shallow vs. bold N reverses:  Edited by DVCollector
03/19/2014 6:10 pm
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Usually I can find a match on Aliexpress for most Indians but they don't have one for the 67/67. I think that ones fine. I did see an 1888/7 on there, it was really bad lol  . The 71 looks fine to me, at least everything matches with one I'm comparing it to. They both look fine, might be a bit too clean but they look real. Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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03/19/2014 6:21 pm
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Usually I can find a match on Aliexpress for most Indians but they don't have one for the 67/67. I think that ones fine. This! |
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Usually I can find a match on Aliexpress for most Indians... Like this one?  Details aside, a few big things jump out--see them?  The real expert is Rick Snow--sending them to him would be cheap insurance.  |
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In addition to what DV stated about the 1867/67, in many cases, the alloys were not mixed properly for the 1867 planchets, resulting in a non uniform, streaky appearance to the surface of the coin. Your coin seems to have that appearance, more so on the obverse. I would think that would be something that a counterfeiter would not duplicate.
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I can't tell if the coins were dipped from the pics, but the streaky appearance is a good thing. From what I can tell, most of those copies have bright/flat luster. Little effort is made to look like an original toned IHC--another clue. Edited by DVCollector
03/19/2014 7:08 pm
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Lol that's a sweet type 2 1871 !
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Hey - thanks for the insightful feedback Beagle, DV and 52! The streaking toning was a positive for me too. I'm real happy with the 1871 - though its 3.18 g and has some obvious corrosion spots in the reverse (in the N one ONE and the top of the E in CENTS). Your thoughts are very appreciated.
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03/19/2014 8:03 pm
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