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2000 Chinese Panda && Stacking Question

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 Posted 03/19/2014  04:08 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add huynhhh to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi, so recently I've discovered a 1/2 oz Chinese panda (2000) with a 50 Yuan sign on it.. And I was wondering how much it is worth if it has scratches on it..


And also, I'm a student in highschool and want to start saving money, so I've thought about investing into gold. I have a part time job and scraping 1500$ up for a oz of gold takes months.. So should I buy 1/10 oz coins or should I save for full ounces?

And also, for investing purposes only, am I better off buying gold coins or plates.. (Sorry I'm a complete novice)

Thanks in advance :)

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 Posted 03/19/2014  04:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Gold is around $1350 per ounce and has been for a while. You may want to get something like the Kitco app to keep up to date with what you should be paying for gold. $1500 per ounce for gold bullion is a rip off and has been for months.
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 Posted 03/19/2014  04:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add huynhhh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I live in Canada FYI.. Ahha.. 1350USD=1500CAD
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 Posted 03/19/2014  05:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK then you're all set. You are lucky because being in Canada you can get pretty much the lowest price gold 1 ounce bars available on the market. Kitco is a Canadian company and their own brand gold bars @ $25 above melt are only available within Canada.
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 Posted 03/19/2014  05:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add huynhhh to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok sweet, sorry don't mean to be rude, but are you able to answer my other questions?
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 Posted 03/19/2014  06:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the real concern is, is it genuine?

When it comes to Chinese coins including bullion, you cannot just assume that they are genuine. Please kindly post photos if possible.
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 Posted 03/19/2014  06:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The smaller denominations you buy the more you will pay above melt. 10 1/10th ounce pieces will cost more than 1 full ounce piece. And as far as bars or coins, it doesn't matter unless you are talking about collectable ones. Otherwise bullion is bullion regardless what form it's in.
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 Posted 03/19/2014  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Buy from reputable supplier and dealers! Coin is not a good investment over time, but is fine for collecting it, diversity is key, if I was at your age I would buy into mutual funds at the earliest and it doesn't have to be much per month.

But to answer the question, 1/10 oz would be the smallest I would buy and is the more popular denomination, but silver panda is fine too and doesn't cost as much, except for earlier years, again buy from reputable dealers, even the slab one can be fake.
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 Posted 03/19/2014  2:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
this is a horrible time period to be investing in PMs. Why? Because we do not have any clarity on where prices want to go. You do not want to start investing into an asset that hasnt shown what it wants do it because you risk starting off under water in your initial buys.

Furthermore, averaging down is a terrible thing to do, and while everyone will say no you must average down, you do it taking on further risk. Do NOT average down. On top of that, commodities are highly volatile and do not have the same metrics as other assets, so you are adding even more risk to averaging down.

Finally, if you MUST buy gold, stick to only say, modern proof coins, you will need some sort of cushion and numismatic and semi-numismatic coins will give you that cushion you need as prices iron out what they want to do.
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 Posted 03/19/2014  3:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Okie1987 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My first question would be how long are you going to hold the investment. If you don't plan on selling until like you retire I would put that 1500 in a Roth IRA because as you get older you may not be able to take advantage of using a Roth. I personally try to keep 10% - 15% of my investments in PMs. I also collect for fun but anytime I buy a coin I do it because I want it and I spend my money out of what I call my play fund. If $1500 is all you have in savings I wouldn't put it all into a gold coin. I would buy silver personally if I was you because I don't like the premium for the fractional coins. I would also say its smart to save money but high school and college are some of you funnest years in life and you don't want to miss out on them because you are saving all your money for an ounce of gold.
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 Posted 03/19/2014  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HawkHybrid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
how does buying pm's via the ira more advantageous than
buying physical coins?

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 Posted 03/19/2014  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Okie1987 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I guess I should clarify. I wouldn't buy physical PMs to be in my Roth IRA. I'm just saying if you are 16 years old I would probably buy a mutual fund. If you put $1500 in a Roth when you are 16 and it earns 7% a year and you don't take it out until you are 62 you now have over $30,000 that can't be taxed. I'm just saying I wouldn't spend all my money on a gold coin. I own PMs for investments but like I said I try to stay in between 10%-15%. Now that I'm writing this I realized he is from Canada so don't know about their retirement system. One of the best investment moves I did in high school was start and Roth IRA. Now if he wants to buy a gold coin because he wants to collect then go for it. I'm just saying from a pure investment I think there are better options out there instead of buying a gold coin. If it takes months to save money to invest in a single coin you just missed out on all the compounding you could of gotten buy putting $200 in a mutual fund every month.
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 Posted 03/19/2014  5:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


yup, before putting any money in PMs, first consider either CASH or stocks, even a simple index fund of say the S & P, and doing it in the form of an IRA.

Start NOW when you are young because time flies and as you add to it you can have a nest egg... the PMs, they really will only work for you when they are trending.. and for most people, that trending is when prices are going higher. IF they are trending lower, you can also sell them short.. but most of the public is too afraid of selling short.
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 Posted 03/19/2014  5:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add traevin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
And also, for investing purposes only, am I better off buying gold coins or plates.. (Sorry I'm a complete novice)


I'm not sure about the context of your question here. Are you talking about gold bars? If so, do what Yup said and stick to proof quality gold coins. I hope you're not talking about gold plated coins. If so, that's a bad idea. Don't do it.
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1/10th panda coins offer the best return over time as they have numismatic value
bars, rounds, etc. only good when you have cash that you are ready to lose

I buy both, as soon as I don't have to pay high premium. Prefer silver ...
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