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Looks like a soft strike, is it MS? Has a good amount of red, moreso on reverse, does it make RB?   |
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Tough call. Likely RB. This is plainly a Randall Hoard coin, showing the spots and (possible) wear characteristic of a large percentage of Randall coins. I'd call it a "very well preserved" AU50. With that said, these get somewhat favorable treatment from TPG's and the images aren't conclusive; it may well be a Mint State coin in their opinion. 1817's in RD or RB would be really tough were it not for the Randall Hoard. |
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Are there really a lot of AU 50 Red Browns out there?
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Are there really a lot of AU 50 Red Browns out there?
No. Not at all. Heritage has never offered an AU RB. However, if the color in your images is reasonably accurate, yours has a good shot at the designation. The images are a tad small for me to be firm on grade, but it sure looks to have seen a minor amount of circulation. It seems that most of the Randall Hoard coins were Mint State, but some weren't, and the fact that they were preserved (by whatever means) away from the market for fifty years made them collectibles when finally unearthed. The result was most of the Randall coins were taken care of as collectibles since, not subject to the atmospheric circumstances which made so many Large Cents into Browns today. I have to wonder, as a result, if whatever makes Reds into Browns isn't a process which has its' usual start during the brief after-Mint period when the metal is completely fresh and sensitive to reaction. That would explain how some have survived Red to this day, and others not. At least, that's my thinking. Yours is an interesting example, whatever the story behind it. |
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In the early days it was the custom of the Philadephia mint to ship newly-minted coins in kegs or barrels. Shortly after the Civil War one or more of these cents kegs of new cents were found beneath an old railway platform in Georgia.......Following the discovery the cents were sent to a New York merchant to satisfy a debt. They were subsequently sold to a dry-goods store in Norwich, Hew York, the owner of which passed them along to John Swan Randall,a numismatist in the same town. It has been estimated that early Mint kegs held an average of 14,000 coins each,so even if the Randall Hoard consisted ofbut a single keg, the number of coins involved was tremendous. Although many of the pieces in the hoard were dated 1816, 1817, and 1819, the surviving specimens today indicates that 1818 and 1820 cents were the most plentiful. United States Copper Coins. Q. David Bowers So, yeah, there are still a few out there |
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My fault on the images being subpar but they are pretty representative. Based off what I've seen from other graded 1817 cents I'd say MS62 RB is most likely but I wouldn't be surprised if AU58 RB happened. There could be the slightest wear on the high points but I'm thinking they are lenient because of existing red. I'll update this thread if/when I get it graded. Thanks for the feedback/info (esp. SsuperDdave) I had never heard of the Randall Hoard before.
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Thanks for sharing that article westcoin, I enjoyed reading it.
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Could be MS..I can't tell with certainty.
I'd more than likely call this one AU58.
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Here are some better pics I think I see slight wear on hear right above forehead so I think the correct grade is AU58 and I do think this will grade RB   |
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I'm with indiangoldeagle....61RB. How is the luster? Does it cartwheel in hand?
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