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A 1964-P Die Set Produces A Nearly Constant Machine Doubling

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Its kind of unique and interesting to see things come out of 5,000 count bags. This 1964-P bag has shown me a few DDO's and I was hoping to see a DDR once in a while, but nothing as of yet.

What I have managed to do is find a die pair that is producing a significant amount of Machine Doubling on the reverse of the coin.

The obverse of this die pair has these half circle die scratches on the back side of Lincoln's head. Throughout this bag - and I am about 1250 coins into it, the obverse die is there, but on some the reverse die was replaced and a new shiny reverse is seen.


The Obverse and the die scratches look like this;
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The reverse shows the Machine Doubling in a few letters of UNITED, almost always in the TED;


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The word STATES can vary, but for the most part the word STATES is probably the most pronounced Machine Doubling.


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The Interesting thing about the "A" in STATES is the triple lined die scratch that comes off the middle right of the "A". Its on every one of the three or four rolls of these Machine Doubling examples.


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Another area on the reverse that shows up on all coins I quickly looked at is this set of scratched near the word CENT;

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As you can see from the photos, there is no notching, or splitting of the corners of the letters, which means thy are not a doubled die or notched. This die set can be misleading because in some coins, the Machine Doubling is very strong. I had to choose one that would play well with the lighting I have in place.

So if your bag or roll hunting, look for commonalities amongst the coins. It will help you quickly go through the coins and allows you to separate them into different tubes or piles, and making identification faster and more accurate.
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You starting to see that there are a certain number of die pairs in the bag. When you start noting the markers, then you will know what pile to put the coins you are finding. The ones to keep, just by finding the markers. What to toss, just by the markers. If you don't see a marker that you recognize, then you know you've found something new. In rolls I found a low as 4 die pairs and highest 19 die pairs. I usually sort them into piles for a roll. But when it's pretty cut and dry, then I dispose/tube/or stack what I find from a bag. I have a bag of 1964 plains that there was not one variety in the bag. I still have about a third still left in the bag. They were spoting and not even worth saving into tubes. Someday I'll sell if off. But it is a dud. It kind of stopped me from buying bags after that. Either you hit big, or you totally miss with a bag.
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Starting to see die pairs? Hehehehe I have known there many sets of dies that produce coins. I've been a Lincoln Collector as far back as 1981. A single set cannot produce all the Billions of coins that have to be produced in a year. The dies and varieties books back in the 1980's were concise and gave you a point blank lesson on how and what to collect. I have one or two of those laying around here.

I don't keep my coins in the bags. They get taken out and I store them in the Plastic Coffee cans. The Folgers' tall cans can hold about 4500+ cents and will keep the coins from being affected by the temperature changes and moisture. I have a knack with buying bags, and I am glad its there. Though 5,000 count bags may be a workload, the pricepoint is low enough and the quantities are high enough to offset the cost of the bag. Its not always about hitting the varieties. I didn't pull much from the 1962-P year, but I did get tubes of ms-66 and higher coins, all of which I will have to scrutinuize and decide which ones to send in to a TPG should they offer a nice profit in order to re-invest in another bag.

My goal is to have a copper bag of Lincoln Cents from 1959-D to 1972. Slowly but surely I am getting there. This write up is intended more for the people who wish to identify Machine Doubling, and if they have a large amount of the same year/mint mark, how easy it can be to sort through them quite quickly.
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