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Even going by the picture. IMO, this coin is not dipped. Kind of irrelevant though, ICCS doesn't care and I've never seen it impact a grade (unless ridiculously over dipped). Now we can start the argument whether ICCS grading methodology is right or wrong. 
Edited by TheCoinHunter 04/16/2014 6:07 pm
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Just curious how many of you guys say ICCS dont play favorites..... check this coin ..I see much more issues in the fields, I see rim knicks , several scratches in the fields on both sides , zero luster and not to mention AT ? and this gets a MS63 ? say what you want but those colors are consistent with AT, IMO also have a look at his 1900 AU 58 ICCS half.. Not a word about the deep gouges , but hey ICCS know what they are doing right ? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1907-Canada...0740d&_uhb=1
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There are 3 things I'll say about this thread #1, an AU coin is determined by the fact that there is ware or not, thus the name "almost uncirculated", though luster does play part in this. #2, an UNC coin can have marks and surface problems, though these will usually keep it in the lower end of the MS grading pool. This is especially true with larger coins, mainly half's and dollars. And to me artdio's coin luckily has avoided many of these marks. And #3, its not learning how ICCS would grade it, its how you would grade it, just remember the oh so familiar phrase "buy the coin and not the holder". BTW great coin and collection artdio 
Feel free to call me Will.
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I wouldn't call the 1907 half AT, looks like a very nice naturally toned coin to me. Good color progression and the lustre shows through. Full lustre and very few marks, MS63 looks very reasonable on it. If it were AT, it would have a more "painted on" look.
The 1900 AU58 half you can see in the video where there are some breaks in the lustre on the reverse especially. The dig on the neck isn't that bad, consistent with a circulated coin, IMO.
Your 1910 half has a fairly large rim ding at 3 oclock on the reverse as well. Those are common on these larger old coins and won't count against the grade unless they are very large and on a high grade coin.
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I don't pretend to know much about grading but, artdio's coin certainly looks a lot better than AU-58 to me.
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@ dollar ,thanks @ shafta thanks and It sure as heck is way better than the grade and @ poker lets be serious That color is very consistent with heat and other added stuff , you say full luster where ? and the 1900 sorry my friend but there are a couple digs on that coin that should be mentioned, and much more going on than mine ....
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I agree with artdio that the 1907 half looks AT to me, although ICCS usually doesn't penalize or identify this fact (one knock against ICCS).
Many of this seller's coins have a similar appearance.
I disagree with artdio that ICCS plays favourites.
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One of the most respected coin collectors I know did a test on nickel dollars via ICCS. The results showed (with out a doubt) that ICCS favors large submitters with bigger numbers.
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Not the first time I hear this . and it wont be the last.. I was told by one of the largest dealers that he can pretty much get the grade he wants because of the volume he submits.. So there you go..Thanks for the backup on this...
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I see from the new pictures why ICCS would grade it 58. The impaired luster is a definite sign of 2-3 dips. Coin has definitely been dipped.
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zx... you are wrong my friend...Its hard to show with a pic but this coin is loaded Fully luster almost to a frosted degree... I just wish people could see it in hand ... but thats ok .. A well known dealer - collector has seen it in hand and totally disagrees with ICCS .. In fact he has offered to resubmit the coin for me ....Of course thats if I dont sell it first...
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if he sends it in for you it should be interesting, and will most likely back up the thought that they favor pedigrees and large sellers.
Feel free to call me Will.
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Quote: Not the first time I hear this . and it wont be the last.. I was told by one of the largest dealers that he can pretty much get the grade he wants because of the volume he submits.. So there you go..Thanks for the backup on this... artdio...it's comments like these (your comment) that is highly insulting to the integrity of ICCS. To the uniformed, it implies ICCS is dishonest, unethical and in it just for the money. I'm honestly sick and tired of these accusations. I would hope an apology is in order and if this was the US and you said the same comment but directed it towards PCGS, I'm sure you would be hearing from their lawyers as you would have a possible libel suit on your hands.
Edited by doubleeagle59 04/22/2014 4:23 pm
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not to come across the wrong way or open a new wound but I do think that TPGs atleast sometimes favor pedigrees, in this case I'm talking about PCGS. I honestly think the coin I mention is more fact than accusation.
an excellent example is the 1936 dot cent PCGS ms-63 Pittman, it was a great coin but was stolen and returned to him with a crazy batch of noticeable scrathes that take up about a third of the right obverse field.
now to me if this coin was a regular 1936 non pedigree no dot cent I wouldnt even send it in cause it would most likely come back as unc details scratches.
BUT, since its got three things going on with it that don't affect grade in anyway it is a problem free midgrade. the three things I'm talking about are .its the only non spec strike .its a dot .it belonged to pittman
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