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This Defies A Sensible Explanation, For Me Anyway.

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 Posted 04/10/2014  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry Nancy I have led you up the garden path here.

This was a quote taken from Eric Eigner's site Drake Sterling in an article titled "Error Coins on Display at The Royal Australian Mint Part 2."

The index mentioned is Drake Sterling's Index which is very comprehensive. The Purple Penny's Index is also, but I'm sure you are familiar with both.

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 Posted 04/10/2014  8:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Shows how easily I can be led astray. Thanks for the clarification.
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 Posted 04/10/2014  10:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the tip.
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 Posted 04/11/2014  02:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got my half a florin.
I don't think it is an engineered clip but perhaps it could be a fake coin. It is poorly finished but that could be a result of the metal being not completely constrained.
I'm open to opinions.

This is a photo of the edge. [as good as I can get]



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 Posted 04/11/2014  06:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
shed job now you have better pictures
it has to much wear on it as if this was mint mad it would have been taken and put away and should have no wear
my opinion only
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 Posted 04/11/2014  07:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Unicorn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Garden path indeed .......

Wow if you'd show a picture of the reverse of the coin earlier I think we'd all have said fake!!!

Look at the star.
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 Posted 04/11/2014  5:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Shane. The coin has very little wear imo. [if any] What it has is a very poor metal flow up into the die due to the metal being unconstrained, this has caused all high points to be flattened [which looks similar to wear] and much of the lower relief items to be very poorly formed. The surface is also very rough for the same reason.

Hi The Unicorn I did show the seller's picture of the reverse earlier. [sorry you missed it ] And this picture straight after I received it. [no intention to mislead]
The star was the first thing I saw too but after closer inspection and thought I believe it 'could' be just poor strike. [see above explanation]
I am convinced the cut/break/failure is not a shed job. I'm not convinced the coin is kosher but feel it could only be struck in a high speed minting press environment, there is no gain for anyone to do it in a shed and it couldn't be inadvertantly missed there.
All only my opinion but mine will always be polite at least.
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 Posted 04/11/2014  7:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add The Unicorn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Apologies Darge, there is an earlier pic of the reverse although it's not as clear as the one above.

I'm still on the fake coin side of the fence though.

I might be wrong, just looks a lot like a cast coin.
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 Posted 04/11/2014  7:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello The Unicorn, no worries mate, I was probably just a bit thin skinned.
I agree it looks like a cast coin but I don't think it is, for a start it has a faint diecrack through the top of "florin" and that would be exceptionally skilled casting I reckon.
I also have a small collection of fake florins and it is quite different from those cast ones. imo
I only paid $15 for it and I don't mind if it is fake. it can go in my fake collection. If it turned out to be genuine it will have been a bargain. A good pick-up anyway if just for the conversation it has generated.
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 Posted 04/11/2014  7:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I initially thought it was probably a fake, but not so sure now.

If anyone can come up with a George V Florin with the same mark beneath the 'FL' as per the following image, it may help prove that it's a genuine coin and will give us the date.

Half Florin Darge on CCF
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By the same token, if anyone has a known fake with that mark, then all speculation is over.

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 Posted 04/11/2014  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good thinking Nancy.




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 Posted 04/12/2014  05:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ok been to the shed it is flat on star and highs if you put it between 2 piece off lead to protect it then into a vice it was so easy I was amazed how easy it was to bend and break
you get the flat look from the pressure needed to hold it in the vice


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 Posted 04/12/2014  07:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Shane. Thanks for going to that much trouble.

There are some big differences between your example and mine mate.

Firstly mine is perfectly flat, no twists in plane like yours has.

Secondly [ and more importantly] there are no parallel stress marks or fractures on my coin.

I don't feel you have proved this is what happened Shane, but I dare to hope you might have confirmed this is what didn't happen.
Thanks mate. LOL

I probably sound like I am holding fast to the notion this is a legitimate coin error, but I really don't care.
It's a great error, or it's a great fraud/fake/counterfeit, either option is great in my eyes as I collect both.
I'm simply interested in the discussion/debate. Thanks All.
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 Posted 04/12/2014  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shanew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
mate if there is anyone who would love you to find a cool one its me
I stick fast till the end on all finds
I will try a few more today it was a very quick job last night
but I feel I could keep it flat just use the piece that is held by the vice will try a few latter
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 Posted 04/12/2014  9:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Shane I know that mate, I always love your positive outlook.

I just don't want you going to trouble on my behalf is all.

I'm beginning to feel I should buy some of your 'genuine' new half florins to offset your costs.
Just need them hammered flat please.
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