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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Don't see why it shouldn't be authentic although the "shipwreck effect" makes it harder to confirm.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
3229 Posts |
Was just doing history searching on La Luz wreck and I don't think that this coin is from that wreck. From what I am finding the La Luz sank in 1752. Hmmm...wonder where this 8R is from? Maybe an El Cazador? http://www.sedwickcoins.com/shipwre...ries/luz.htmzxcccxz, thanks for your reply! |
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Valued Member
United States
88 Posts |
The El Cazador sunk in the Gulf of Mexico in early 1784, so I don't think this coin was from that wreck either.
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Pillar of the Community
Korea, Republic Of
1881 Posts |
And just to clarify the terms, it is a 8 reales coin, not a 8 reale coin. The plural form of the word "real" is "reales," and "reale" is not a word. Many people think of English, thinking that subtracting the "s" at the end will make it singular. But no, it's Spanish and in Spanish, instead of just "s" at the end, it's "es" to make it plural. And because this is 8 "real"s, it's a 8 reales coin.
Just clarifying the terms, that's all ;)
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Greece
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the coin date I think it's 1783 amd I also consider that it's a El Cazador shipwreck coin.
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Pillar of the Community
France
1591 Posts |
There is a clear 5 under the portrait, it cannot be a 3.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3229 Posts |
Thanks everyone for the help! I think is 1783 and not 1785. Good call epop!  Here is a close-up:  |
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Pillar of the Community
France
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  Hummm ... could indeed be both. On the other side, I can't figure out the essayer's mark. FF ? FM ? Edited by MathieuMa
04/12/2014 11:00 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1962 Posts |
1783, not 85. Bit of a optical illusion b/c the top line of the "3" is obscured in that ridge of corrosion at that spot.
Undoubtedly El Cazador.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3229 Posts |
I have been staring at it for while now off and on and think a 3 is the more likely more likely candidate.
MathieuMa, thanks for your 8R pics! Big help!
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Valued Member
United States
55 Posts |
I agree with the Real / Reales term correction. We need to help stop spreading the use of incorrect / non existant words :)
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Pillar of the Community
France
1591 Posts |
You welcome :) Everything looks fine with your coin after all :D The pictures come from http://www.coinfactswiki.com/ - I should have mentioned it ! |
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Valued Member
United States
55 Posts |
Guys. This is a 1783 1/2 Real sibling, also with the "shipwreck" corrosion effect. Personally, I'm inclining to believe its a fake though, with the "corrosion" effect product of a poor duplication from a host coin, rather than real sea water corrosion (more evident on the columns side), but would like your expert opinion on it (certainly much more than mine). Thanks.   |
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Pillar of the Community
France
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That one looks fake to me. Look on the pillar side, on the left : the denticles as shorter - as on a copy.
Unless this is due to corrosion, but it looks very odd.
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Valued Member
United States
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I'd like to add a comment here; The El Cazador shipwreck has a very interesting historic significance to the Louisiana Purchase by Thomas Jefferson from Napoleon Bonaparte in 1803! If this ship hadn't sunk when it did, and it made it to the New Orleans' port, there is a good chance that this section of the United States wouldn't belong to us, but belong to Mexico instead.
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Posted 04/11/2014 11:30 pm
