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That's quite cool, you have the resources to electroplate stuff properly! Last time I tried electroplating an aluminium coin with copper, it won't stick to the actual coin surface and whatever did get deposited falls off when you take it out of the solution. I hope there's something interesting with the nickel, but seeing as it is solid cupro-nickel instead of plated I don't think there's too much under it. Everything is silvery in the nickel I'm engraving, and I've removed all the relief (so I'm engraving starting from the background level) and cutting deeper into the coin. I agree, but extend it further to anything you buy. Fakes are everywhere now 
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I am just fooling around with it right now, certainly not a well equipped shop for plating properly.
I will try to strip the nickel later and let you know what I find.
From what I read, aluminum is very tricky to plate so don't feel bad that it didn't work.
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Well I feel silly now  I suppose the chemists here already knew that. I stripped the 1983 nickel and it came out clean. It was a copper deposit from another coin stuck to it. When I put the coin in the acid, it went black confirming what DBM said. As for the penny, I grabbed if from the wrong pile. It was a steel core to start with so that is why it was magnetic.  I plated a 1997 penny that was certainly not magnetic when I started, and it was still not magnetic when I finished. That's why they call it an experiment I guess, so we can learn from our mistakes. My wife says I am a crazy old man, maybe she is onto something. 
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Experimenting is a great way to learn wolfman. Can you try to remove the chrome plating from an early chrome plated steel nickel?
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning... -from PCGS website
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Hands-on experience is the best way to learn, so experiments are great  As for my engraving, I've cut pretty deep into the coin to make Victoria's veil and I can say it IS solid. Unless the core is a tiny flat bit of something in the centre. I remember reading that is you electroplate a non-magnetic coin two or three times it with a magnetic material, a magnet would pick it up. Makes me want to try electroplating stuff myself too. You must have an awesome shop to have all these stuff to do electroplating. If it's simple enough to do maybe I could ask permission to do it in the lab. Is it done like regular electroplating? A battery and some wires, metal you want to plate with on the (+) side, metal you want to plate on the (-) side, and in a solution of ions of the metal you want to plate with. Wish I'd brought some aluminium coins when I went back to Jakarta last Christmas, I would like to experiment on them. It seems when you break the nickel plating the steel rusts. So instead of zinc rot we have steel rot in Canada 
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I have an auto repair shop. I had some hydrochloric acid in a pasta sauce jar an old car battery and some wires. Very crude indeed. I cobbled it up to see if I could find you an answer.  You can likely do it in the lab, but I would suggest salt and vinegar for the solution. Low voltage will give better plating results and I had lots of fumes due to the power I was using. 2 c or d batteries should do the job. A low voltage dc power supply would be better. In the future I may use an old phone charger for a power source, it's output is 4 - 5 volts and you can always add a resistor to reduce current. @DBM I likely could strip a chrome coin but I only have a few spare 1952 1953 nickels I'm not ready to sacrifice yet. Are there any other common chrome plated coins that could be used?
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wolfman, I have some chrome nickels to spare, PM me and I`ll be glad to send them along for your experiments.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning... -from PCGS website
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Amazing rig nevertheless! I wouln't have thought of that as my first option since it would involve some form of physical violence on the coin  Yeah, I don't think I'll use HCl since chlorine fumes are nasty  Stay safe! I'll try asking permission today. I have batteries snd the coins, wires would be easy enough to find (or I could sellotape some coins together to make a makeshift wire if I can't find), the hard part is getting the permission to use the lab electroplate stuff. Friday and next Monday it's a holiday so if I want to do it this week only today and tomorrow is my chance. If you proceed with deplating the nickels, tell us how it goes! I read a thread about TPGs not giving "no chrome" anymore since people can remove the chrome without detection.
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@ DBM: much appreciated! All in the name of science right? @ SlurExe97 Violent indeed.  Like I said the power is too high for quality results.  I am sure the counterfeiters have removed the chrome before and used an alloy to fake a tombac as well. This experiment does have a destination though. My 25th wedding anniversary is coming up in a couple years, and I would like to plate a set of coins with silver for that occasion. If I get that right I will gold plate a year set for my parents 50th anniversary as well.
Edited by wolfman-11 05/14/2014 12:40 pm
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Violent like chopping it with an ax?  The power does seem tad a bit high, looking at what happened to that nickel  How about just using an AA battery or something like that? Take pics of the chrome nickels before and after the electrolysis so there's a side-to-side comparison  I wasn't able to do electrolysis today, I'll try asking again tomorrow. The chemistry teacher wasn't here. I know, right, counterfeiters and cheaters. They want everything good for themselves and end up ruining things for everyone else.  Backfires on a rare occasion but sadly this often isn't the case. Just like in my school, some people lied that they had reserved the piano room, even though I always have those 2.5 hours every day at the same time. The authorities ended up putting a 1-hour limit to the room and I'm sure my playing sounds like an untalented beginner's now. Good luck with your plating experiments! I hope everything goes well! It looks great so far 
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How did this post go from "sound test" to experiments....haha
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Haha, I guess that's what scientists do too. If plan 1 fails, use plan 2. If you have no backup plan, do stuff by the seat of your pants  as long as it works 
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That's right, I was thinking that this morning. The original post was trying to determine what is inside! Now we know. A couple AA batteries will likely do the job but it could take an hour or two to plate a coin. Mine was done in under 2 minutes and the nickel I showed was the anode. I suppose that a more robust anode would not have burned but that was the only nickel source I had lying around.I choose to recycle when I can. I couldn't have bought a nickel anode for 2.5ยข.
As far as the sound test, I think I will dig out some 1982 US pennies to try it on. Has anyone done that yet?
Edited by wolfman-11 05/15/2014 12:27 am
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I've dropped 1982 US cents on the table to find out whether they're copper or zinc since they sound quite different. Copper rings, zinc goes thunk.
Was your 5-cents a nickel or a cupronickel one? And true, nickel is pretty pricey now. The metal content of nickel nickels is worth almost twice face. I choose to recycle stuff too, sometimes resulting in some cheap, makeshift-looking results.
What is the voltage that you used? I could just stick 6 batteries together and make it 9V. Or I can try finding the square battery that makes 9V.
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The burned one was .999 nickel I used it to make the nickle acetate, and to plate the penny.
I used 12 volts which caused extreme bubbling and fuming. 2 or 3 AA in series should be plenty.
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