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Odd Indian Head Cent..not Copper..

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I usually do not post threads on coins not in hand yet, but, just had to on this...from overseas, will be in hand in 2 weeks...weighs 4.5 grams...odd metal color, like aluminum...possible "L" in ribbon(supposed to be only on 64's)...not a very sharp, proof-like strike, so, thinking, maybe a fake of the super-rare :
1863 1C One Cent, Judd-304, Pollock-367, R.8

"An elusive Indian Head cent die trials piece struck in aluminum that is reportedly one of perhaps only two specimens known. These are the famous issues with Longacre's initial 'L' on the ribbon. They are actually restrikes using a reverse die from 1871, per Richard Snow. It is possible that these restrikes are related to the 1864 trime, Half Dime, and dime restrikes which were offered with the quarter, half dollar, and dollar which were struck with the IN GOD WE TRUST reverse."
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Seller had "normal" IHC's, with "normal" Red, Red-Brown, and Brown's, on his listings...but, this one was just so odd...it's guaranteed NOT to be a fake, so, at least my funds are protected(like 27 dollars), less shipping back on me, if is..opiions welcomed...sorry, pics off puter images...will be better in hand, down the line.
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If you don't mind me asking, where overseas? Also, ebay?
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...weighs 4.5 grams


Too heavy for Aluminum.....?
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Ilikeikes,

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from overseas, will be in hand in 2 weeks...weighs 4.5 grams...odd metal color, like aluminum...possible "L" in ribbon(supposed to be only on 64's)...not a very sharp, proof-like strike, so, thinking, maybe a fake of the super-rare :
1863 1C One Cent, Judd-304, Pollock-367, R.8

Let us all put up our hands and pray.
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Man, best of luck on this one. If it turns out to be a JUDD-304 you will definitely need to post it here http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...FORUM_ID=137!
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Yes..too heavy for aluminum...it's the "L" that will be the deal breaker..just have to wait for my postal lady to bring it home here...There DOES appear to be clashed dies on headress..above LIB..isn't there a FS# for this type?
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I can't say I'm convinced of the accuracy of the color in the image. And remember, at 12% Nickel, these earlier IHC's can be much lighter than the later ones.
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Aluminum cents are less than a gram.

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Just a quick observation......the coin you posted has a rounded bust. The J-304 has a pointed bust. The off-metal color may be due to the composition of cents between 1859-1864. They were thicker, weighed more and were a more pale color.


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Close enough to normal weight for the CuNi cent. It could just be environmental exposure that leached away copper and created a lighter appearance?
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Too heavy for aluminum, not an L doesn't have the pointed bust. Weight fits for a CuNi indian. Almost certainly a cleaned CuNi 1863 Indian Head cent. When new these cents had a whitish almost silver color and a cleaning could give it back that silverish color again.
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I'm going to guess that the odd color is wholly due to the way the seller photographed the coin and that in hand it will appear normal colored. I've learned from sad experience to never trust the color of a photographed coin.
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Coin was not what he thought?

Or coming by wagon train?
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I can't say I'm convinced of the accuracy of the color in the image.



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I'm going to guess that the odd color is wholly due to the way the seller photographed the coin


I agree - probably poor color management on sellers part, or his camera's white balance is way off. Still not a bad deal if a real 1864 L IHC!
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