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Poll Question
I have a coin that I thought might be interesting to examine? Probably several don't know for sure, but answer anyway to see if we can figure this coin out.    So, what is this?
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Bedrock of the Community
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Not a clue but I answered.. very minor doubled die. But, also looks like a very worn die.  |
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United States
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That's a decent spread on BERTY in my opinion. I think I would notice it without magnification. I was going to ask for a picture of the entire obverse but I don't think it is needed.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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LIBERTY Looks very similar to 2001P-1DO-001.
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United States
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A DDO appears to have rounded and raised true doubling of a Doubled Die |
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I dont see the marker 2001P-1DO-001 the slightly raised die scratch above the I in LIBERTY? but it does look like it
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United States
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If that falls into as a dbl die no wonder I can't find one cause I keep throwing them all back.
Looks like a normal coin that had some high tonnage and the dog poo stomped out of it.
I see a lot of different newer years that have the same thing as best I can tell. I can agree on the major ones but the more I've researched it seems that coppercoins or whoever the reference is grasps at straws a lot to call something minor whatever they want double die should be offset like I have seen. And coop has been so kind to share his knowledge. But I being around machinery my whole life as well as my father and other family members either machinist or metallurgist. Know that in anything there is tolerance. A cold machine and a hot machine will stamp different as will a new and old die.
The tonnage on a machine being adjusted. Etc
My knowledge has led me to believe what a lot of heavy stamps are is the clearance in the dies being off and not adjusted properly. Or the machine being cold or hot making it change ever so slightly. And from that I've seen a lot of people make references to coins and the reference coin doesn't show anything to me other than machine tolerance. Which is why I believe as well as any other collecting hobby it's only something if you're the one that has it. And what's something special if you're the one that can call it special or not. Just my opinion on something's I've noticed today. Carry on.
In no way am I referring to you coop but to a lot of what you and others reference too on some of these coins makes me scratch my head sometimes and say hmmm. Again just my opinion and no way directed to you. I love hearing your knowledge and helpful advice.
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2001P-1DO-001, MDS (Coop may have cleverly cropped the die dot above the date  ) or maybe even LDS. Anyway, that's my guess! Edited by Sudz
04/21/2014 7:54 pm
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I went with a minor double die because of the extra thickness/notching in liberty.
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I see you guys are figuring this one out. So I will post a side by side to show you how much different from a normal cent this die is.    This will help us train our eyes to spot what to look for on this die. Note the "BERTY" on this one for a PUP.Edited by coop
04/21/2014 8:55 pm
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Yep well I've shuck a lot of these back to the bank. Lol. I've compared them to others just as coops pic above and could easily tell the differences in thickness etc. Just saw no rolling or separation so shucked it.
If that's what makes a slight dbl die holy cow they are common.
Looks like a hard stamped or older die IMO. But that's my untrained eye and what I've learned here and researching.
Thanks for the side by sides coop. Kinda feel sick now to even think how many like this I've thrown back. Yay. Barf
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This is one of my favorites I have found. I actually started searching way too fast. I did a tiny amount of research, thought I knew it all, and just started glassing like crazy. I just so happened to sort the big jug I started with into bags by date. I found nothing. After a ton of more research, and some finds, I decided to go back through those first cents. This die was in those coins. I didn't notice it at all. The second run, I saw it with my naked eye. I hope this gives some of you newer searchers a little confidence. It only takes one find for the light bulb to come on. Thanks for this one coop! Brings back a great memory. Here's mine.  Edited by jay4202472000
04/21/2014 9:28 pm
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Looks like I need to hit my dump bank back up. Lol.
If that's diff in thickness and depth makes it well poo on me.
Guess I'm going to start saving them from now on. Cause I've threw away some gems that look the same with thickness and clearly different In how hard it's been stamped with the depth.
Seriously about to find the next two and send them with my dad and have them thrown on the digitizer and graph the both of them to show difference if he can get them to let him do it. Would be interesting to see what opinion is on two coins with measurements down to the hair on a knat's behind. Lol
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It's not "thickness" as in height from field to top of letter. It's "thickness" as in width of the letters. Notice, in Coop's side by side, how much thicker and distorted the left arm of the Y is. The reason the right arm looks semi normal is because that is the direction of the doubling. It would be more elongated than thick. One way I found to study this is by taking those magnetic, plastic letters for kids, that stick on a refrigerator. Get 2 Upper case Ys. Lay 1 directly on top of the other. Then, slide the top one a little southwesterly (same direction as the right arm attaches to the left). That shows what is happening with the Y.
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I got this one from ebay. It started out at 99 cents and I was the only bidder. |
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Posted 04/21/2014 6:40 pm
