| Author |
 Replies: 30 / Views: 5,546 |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
1018 Posts |
I purchased an 1863 Indian Head cent today that is graded AU58 by NGC. While inspecting the reverse under a loop, I noticed a huge die break that extends clear across the coin (maybe more than 1). What really caught my attention was the large " Cuds" along the die break by the letters N in ONE and E and N in CENT. There is another large " Cud" below the T in CENT. Since these large clumps of metal are not on the rim, they are not Cuds, but I dont know what else to call them. Anyone hae an attribution guide that goes past S-16 for 1863? It really looks similar to the 1862 S-9, which Rick calls a damaged reverse. I wont be able to get pics up until Friday. Bummer, I know |
|
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
2757 Posts |
Sounds like it could fall under 'shattered die', which Rick Snow wouldn't necessarily designate further.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
 United States
1018 Posts |
I thought about that possibility. I own a few shattered die examples, and this one just didnt look like one of the ones I own. I will get pics up as soon as I can.
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
United States
10045 Posts |
Look forward to seeing the pictures.  |
|
Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
Quote:
Look forward to seeing the pictures.
Count me in on this.  For the record, if it's a narrow hairline, it's a die crack. If it expands into dimensional space like your "cuds," it's a die break. |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
940 Posts |
Quote:
For the record, if it's a narrow hairline, it's a die crack. If it expands into dimensional space like your "cuds," it's a die break. Thanks for clarifying that, Dave! Edited by Classic Coins
04/21/2014 11:30 pm
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
2757 Posts |
I've seen shattered dies on civil war tokens are much more significant than the ones I've seen on Indian Head cents. That could give some perspective as to how bad they CAN get on Indian cents. can't wait to see pics. |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
1054 Posts |
I know what you mean RR, I have the same exact date in an XF that has a crack that extends the diameter of the coin with various breaks by the letters and wreath. I'll image mine later this evening and let's compare.
|
|
Valued Member
United States
450 Posts |
My book goes to S-18, but not seeing any heavy die crack or chips on the reverse on the other two.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
940 Posts |
Quote:I've seen shattered dies on civil war tokens are much more significant than the ones I've seen on Indian Head cents. robbudo, I'm guessing you're referring to this beauty (from my collection):  |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
8516 Posts |
Nice token ! What's the reverse look like ?
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
940 Posts |
Thanks, 52Raymo. Here's the reverse; heavily die clashed. Technically, this is a Civil War Store Card for Broas Pie Baker, New York City; NY-630-M O-2.  Edited by Classic Coins
04/22/2014 9:35 pm
|
|
Bedrock of the Community
United States
10045 Posts |
Very cool Classic Coins--that's one shattered die!  Perhaps the strong clash is responsible for the broken dies? |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
940 Posts |
Here's an earlier die state:  |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
940 Posts |
Quote:
Very cool Classic Coins--that's one shattered die! Perhaps the strong clash is responsible for the broken dies? DVCollector, That makes perfect sense. The dies were much harder than the planchets, and such a heavily clashed die had to suffer serious damage. |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
940 Posts |
What I need for my collection is this store card without the die cracks.
|
| |
Replies: 30 / Views: 5,546 |
Posted 04/21/2014 9:21 pm
