1943 P DDO-001,2 Or 3?

I'm adding another picture of the eye. It is hard to get the angle and light right but it appears to be the 1DO-002. I don't understand? I seem to be fighting with this DDO thing. How can this coin have so many of the markers and look like 1DO-002 and not be it? It has markers from several of the DDO's listed on Coppercoins. This is getting frustrating.('')

I took at look at Wexler
http://doubleddie.com/395701.html

I'm looking this one over, and 002 might be a match. I can look at this one in a couple of hours. Don't confuse yourself. Remember - if you find ONE marker that matches, its a start. From there, look for the rest for that particular coin. If not more match, that coin could have been transitioning from say a MDS stage to a LDS stage coin, and markers may be in a flux of change. For Coppercoins, check the all the links.... EDS, MDS and LDS if available.

I personally do NOT rely on coppercoins, I use Wexler, and CONECA master listing first and CC as a last resort. Problem is, once markers change, and people see what appear to be a "eyelid" DDO, they instantly think its another version when all it more than likely happened is the die received some maintenance and it changed the obverse die markers. I like to do the attributions, but they require a boatload of examples. They also need all 4 types of die states - eds,mds,lds and vlds - which very few attributors have all of them, and they seem not to share too often.

Eyeball doubling. personally I think its simply a die chip, but, hey, call it like you see it. I don't care to look for them what so ever. But If it can be proven, I guess it potentially can be a sale for some one. To each their own !    = Þ

I know about diecracks ! I am fighting two rolls of 1973-D and its being an adventure to try to separate and then match up a die crack with a potential RPM.

Give me a few hours and I will help if I can.

CONECA 002 has doubling under the (From the disk) Description: Medium spread on lower RTY of LIBERTY.
No doubled eye lid. Just under the "RTY" on LIBERTY.

CONECA 004 Light spread on LIB of LIBERTY and IN.
Just on the "LIB" no doubled eyelid.

CONECA 014 Light spread on date, IN GOD WE TRUST, and LIBERTY with medium spread on 3 of date.
DDO & DDR with die change. Not from this die.

CONECA 017 Medium spread South as an extra eyelid.
South of the eyelid.

The coin is a normal coin with die cracks. Matching markers mean nothing if the hub doubling is not present. Keep in mind this year they used steel planchets on steel dies. The die broke down a lot faster because of the harder planchets. They cracked, chipped, wore excessively, suffered clashes more often. It was just the way it was that year. Working backwards on matching markers on coins that are not a variety, mean nothing. Find the variety first, then the markers.

No problem Deb,
I listed the die cracks because those were identified by you. I understand that some of them didn't line up with the eyelid theory, and the die cracks are markers which could lead to another variety. When I find a variety in rolls or bags, and that die crack or die scratch, chip or otherwise is obviously on all coins with the variety, its easier to spot them and put then aside.

I am here to help when I can. Remember If coppercoins doesn't cross reference to CONECA or Wexler, it may not be the same die or variety. No controversy from me, I purposely looked up all those die cracks, and I was like, eh, it would not hurt to list them since I have the data in front of me to show you where they might match up. Sometimes it is very possible for a person to have a con in hand, think it is one type of variety and then find out it is slightly different. My process was to show the process of elimination, and to see if any two, three or four die cracks would line up to the same variety. Unfortunately they did not.

Its kind of Ironic, but I was going to ask you about the dieclash and thought - NAH - she would have looked for that and mentioned it already....hehehehehehe

A Medium Spread is a very light separation or doubling of the RTY. It may look just a tad wider or show some doubling in respect to what a doubled die would look like. I don't know how many of the 1943-P cents you have, but you can try to look at a couple and get a general idea of what a normal or thinner date/ LIBERTY should look like. It may be a bit tougher if you do not have a lot of them to look through, or if they don't come from the same die pair. I take "medium, Light or Heavy thickness" with a grain of salt and shake my head. Even after 30+ years that type of statement is speculative and open to interpretation to the person holding the coin. Its a blanket statement to say, hey, there is something amuck here, but its not quite a true DDO or DDR.

I started a long time ago on circulated coins, and quickly seen my frustrations build with lack of markers and hard to determine coins. For the last 25 years or so, I buy only BU coins so they are easier to attribute and the markers have a better chance at survival. Not to mention, the value of the find can be significantly increased. I totally understand the frustrations that go along with Cherry Picking through coins, All I can add is, I have been there and done that !

Let me know if you want to pursue this coin farther. If I have the time, I will. Its all about passing the education along, I am one to help til the end, not simply shooting down attempts.

Your doing fine Deb, some of the Lincoln Years are easier than others. Some of them are just really tough.

Deb: Here is another die listed on coppercoins with the light spread below the "RTY":
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/...ie_state=mds
This one I found from a purchase from ebay that was supposed to be a RPM and it wasn't. But it was a doubled die. So I still made out. I would like to show images, but they are copyrighted, so I can't. I would recommend you get the CONECA e-files disks on the wheat doubled dies and RPMs. They do have one out now for Memorial cents as well, but just the RPMs so far.

Different sites use different sets of numbering. Crawford, Wexler, Coppercoins and CONECA. So you have to know which one you have used as the numbering system. Most are easy to figure out but when the numbers are not displayed correctly with all the numbers, dashes and letters, they can be confusing. I forgot to add the cherry pickers number systems. (They had one and then updated to a different one.) Coppercoins notes the crossover numbers, but not all. That is an extra large task to figure these all out. But until there is a UPC for the varieties that makes them all the same, we are on our own.

You guys are great! I work Thurs-Sun so I get little done then except research. What is Cherry Picker's exactly? Perhaps you could start a new topic for that? I will look into buying the disc if they are not to pricey. I'll check ebay then Amazon. Have a good weekend. It is actually suppose to get warm here by then. Almost time for gardening! Can't wait!
Thanks Again,
Deb

I've never owned one of these as the prices they give are way out of line with what the market is paying. They seemed to make it appeal to those that are looking for the fast buck. When they find something that matches, then the reality of the market price hits them and they feel like someone is offering too little for their coins.