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Valued Member
Italy
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I just bought these 2 1902 o morgan and just trying to verify on vamworld if there is any VAM variety but I'm not very good with doubled things... Seems to be either near dates but cant identify VAM number Thanks Vincenzo     |
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I can only narrow down the search for you, both are C4/C3 reverses.
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Valued Member
 Italy
216 Posts |
will try to start from there....
any other kind of help is welcome
Thanks
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Rest in Peace
United States
10625 Posts |
You can further narrow your search by determining if there is doubling on the nose and chin. I can't tell for sure with the shadows on your photos. Excellent photos btw  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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VAMming is a lot like diamond cutting. Where do you make the first division and separate the possibles from the not possibles? In your case, You need to separate your quest into coin one and coin two.
I'll assume that the first obverse picture is mated to your first reverse picture. While this may seem like a mud stupid assumption, it isn't. Dies get switched around and photos get mixed up. Simple errors can cause problems for decades.
Beautiful coins, admirable photographs and great choice of date and mint to study.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Lets start with the first coin. One of Alan Scott's diamond cutting tools is the doubled profile.
My eyes, glasses and monitor are not reliable. But I think I see a doubled profile from the nose bridge to hair line and again under the chin.
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Valued Member
Italy
216 Posts |
I just bought these coins from an ha auction and just got the pics from the auction page ( http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleN...&lotNo=22338 ).... I'm not so good at taking pics... I havn't yet the coins in my hands to verify the doubling on the nose and chin so when they will arrive i'll try to get some pics of nose and chin without shadows... So I also have to assume that the first obverse picture is mated to your first reverse picture Thanks Vincenzo |
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Valued Member
Italy
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Lets start with the first coin. One of Alan Scott's diamond cutting tools is the doubled profile.
My eyes, glasses and monitor are not reliable. But I think I see a doubled profile from the nose bridge to hair line and again under the chin. Could the first coin be a VAM 17B ? |
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Valued Member
United States
220 Posts |
I believe the first coin is a VAM-30. This is a VAM near and dear to my heart. Do not trust the photos on Vamworld for the VAM-30. The second coin I believe is a VAM-38. The gouges at RI of PLURIBUS give this one away along with the slight 5 degree CW reverse die rotation. |
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Valued Member
Italy
216 Posts |
Thanks for help. For the first coin I'm adding some other pics just to confirm the Vam-30. But if don't have to trust the photos on vamworld for the Vam-30 where do I have to look? If you don't mind, could I ask you why this VAM is near and dear to your heart? For the second coin I didn't see the gouge at RI. Thanks Vincenzo     |
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Valued Member
United States
220 Posts |
The 1902-O VAM-30 is a VAM that started my venture into attribution guide development. Look for two horizontal die gouges protruding from Liberty's neck just above the height of the 1st left star. On the reverse look for two horizontal die gouges at the bottom of eagle's left wing. I see them both in the first set of photos you posted. |
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Valued Member
United States
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As usual, I am a little short on words. Your VAM-30 has die cracks that match the discovery coin. I try to dissuade folks from using them as an attribution tool, since cracks are progressive, and may not be present on all specimens depending on die state. This concept seems to escape some people from time to time. I use them for confirmation, but never for attribution. As far as the photos on the VAM-30 page on VW, they are my photos. But they were posted there before my attribution guide was finished. VAM checkerboard was still in play, so at one time the coin shown was a VAM-30, but it was re-assigned somewhere along the line. The photos were never removed, and I can't do it myself, so they stay until someone else removes them. The coin in the ANACS slab is the VAM-30 however. |
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Valued Member
Italy
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Quote:As usual, I am a little short on words. Your VAM-30 has die cracks that match the discovery coin. I try to dissuade folks from using them as an attribution tool, since cracks are progressive, and may not be present on all specimens depending on die state. This concept seems to escape some people from time to time. I use them for confirmation, but never for attribution. As far as the photos on the VAM-30 page on VW, they are my photos. But they were posted there before my attribution guide was finished. VAM checkerboard was still in play, so at one time the coin shown was a VAM-30, but it was re-assigned somewhere along the line. The photos were never removed, and I can't do it myself, so they stay until someone else removes them. The coin in the ANACS slab is the VAM-30 however. Thanks for the explanations. So the dartboard coin is yours? I read about the story of this coin on the link at the vam-30 page (even if my english is not so good and I do a lot of effort to translate...and I often use google translate...). Very interesting story. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Yes, the Dartboard coin is mine. There will be only one coin slabbed at ANACS with the Dartboard designation. Apparently folks send VAM-30s to John Roberts to designate as the Dartboard and he won't do it. The Dartboard designation was a "special designation".
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 United States
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Heh. The small rewards are sometimes the most fulfilling.  |
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