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Cherrypicking A 1921 D VAM-1i

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 Posted 05/28/2014  7:00 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add lux73 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was looking around trying to cherrypick some nice morgan and I came across a 1921 d vam-1i. When I saw that it was an R7 I was so excited and I thought I've got a great cherrypick and immediately wanted to buy the coin but it doesn't seems to have a great value.
I'm missing something or this R7 doesn't have a great money value?
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 Posted 05/28/2014  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the value has more to do with demand (the "Interest" number) rather than solely on the "Rarity" number in many cases. Keep in mind that the rarity factor is just Leroy's best guess at the time of discovery and rarely updated as the population of any given VAM grows.

Nice busy VAM BTW. It's always fun when finding one that's listed in the crack guide.
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 Posted 05/28/2014  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zxcccxz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a very nice buy!
Dave said it, price is not only dictated but supply but by a collinear demand. there isn't really a demand for VAM's at the moment especially the more valuable ones. Keep in mind that many World and Canadian coins are sometimes 5x, 10x or even 100x rarer than US coins but have values that are so much lower.
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 Posted 05/28/2014  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
VAM-1I has proven to be one of the very overrated "rarities" as originally designated. They're probably no better than R4 in the real world; I've had quite a number of them up to an NGC MS64. You wouldn't need both hands to count the number of 1921 VAMs (all mints combined) which carry a significant premium below MS65 (1921-S Thornheads counted as one finger for the purposes of this hyperbole).
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 Posted 05/29/2014  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add messydesk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The rarity number assigned by Leroy Van Allen is an estimate of the rarity at the time the coin is discovered. He bases this on a few things, including how close to retirement the die seems to be and how likely a new variety submitted to him should have been discovered already. Based on this, you get coins like the 21-D VAM 1I, 82-CC VAM 3D, and 82-O VAM 38B that all look like they should have been retired soon after making their respective coins, but stayed in service long enough to produce plenty of coins. These are all rated R7, but are all much more common. Coins like the ultra-rare 8TFs were given high rarity scores because that series had been so well scrutinized, and it would seem they should have been discovered. Also, terminal die cracks and breaks paired with sharp, prooflike surfaces means the dies did not last long. Finally, something like the 98-O VAM 20 was such a jaw-dropper when discovered that even not being in a popular series, had that coin not been rare, someone would have spotted it long before it was discovered.

The best way to see rarity is on the SSDC registry, comparing with coins that would likely be in the same collection (compare the 21-D VAM 1I with other similar 21-D die breaks, for example).

As for the premium for a rare variety, that has to do with demand. There are some rare varieties that nobody cares about, so they carry no premium. It could also be a coin is sort of scarce, but there are enough to go around, so the premium is quite small. Best way to get the premium to go up is to introduce more people to VAM collecting. If anyone wants to chat about it at the ANA Summer Seminar, I'll be there during week 1 as an instructor for the Morgan dollar course.
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 Posted 05/30/2014  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lux73 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for the explanations very clear.
I got carried away by the fact that I could make a profit without considering that in any case I like to study the VAM (although it is very difficult and the knowledge and the experience is not acquired certain in a short time) and when I see a beautiful coin with the distinctive characteristics in relation to a specific VAM, I should buy it if I could spend the money required..
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