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I got my mint sets a few days ago, and sent them right back the next day. Both Philly Sacs were scratched a good bit, the Everglades Denver Quarter had some good scratches and minor scratching on several other coins.
I usually defend the mint, but this year STINKS. I returned my silver proof quarters set TWICE, my 13 silver se proof set, one proof set, and now both mint sets. To top it off I am returning the 09 and 10 P&D Sacs I just received from one of my favorite sellers. NEVER had an issue from him, and then these got sent. Supposed to be gem BU, VACookey's comment was "they look circulated". *sigh*
Perhaps not my year for coins.
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Unfortunate. ....and aggravating!
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Man, that's a run of bad luck. Sorry to hear it and you're now due for a long string of winners.
I've had some issues with quality this year too - My mint sets were fine, but I was worried because the packaging was damaged from shipping. My silver sets both exhibit those odd lines. I debated whether or not to send them back but I decided ultimately to keep. And then my Teddy Roosevelt commemorative set was damaged in shipping. Gah!
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It's been a LONG time since I dealt with Mint Sets but aren't they just business strikes, not special strikes.
I think about the only thing the Mint promises is that they'll be UNC.
That doesn't eliminate the possibility of scratches, etc.
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Mint sets are NOT simple business strikes. They are handled differently and struck better. Higher pressures and I thnk twice but could be wrong there. Mnt sets are supposed to be the highest levelof quality for the business strike type coins. Graded MS 69 and 70 coins almost always come from mint sets, NOT unc business strike coins. I doubt you could pull many 68s from those let alone 69 or 70.
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Mint sets are NOT simple business strikes. They are handled differently and struck better. Higher pressures and I thnk twice but could be wrong there. As far as I know, you are correct except the last part; only proofs get the second strike. Also, I think that along with the higher pressure, the minting speed is slower, allowing more time for the metal to flow. |
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@jbuck - that's my understanding too. UNC sets get only one strike.
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OK, thats what it is, the strike is longer, not the warp speed slam strike of business strike coins.
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Yes. Details aside, the important thing is that they are different.
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Details aside, the important thing is that they are different. Yet can't be consistently identified and separated from regular business strikes because they AREN'T that different. |
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Conder, if you mean after some circulation, no you can not. If you mean straight from the packaging, I would disagree. The difference in the quality and sharpness of strike is usually rather obvious. Granted, I have not handled thousands of coins, but what I have dealt with it is fairly obvious.
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Conder, if you mean after some circulation, no you can not. If you mean straight from the packaging, I would disagree. The difference in the quality and sharpness of strike is usually rather obvious. Granted, I have not handled thousands of coins, but what I have dealt with it is fairly obvious. Technically there's no real difference between mint set coins and those made for circulation and this is why the mint misleading told people these coins were identical for more than 30 years. Mint set coins are struck under higher pressure by new dies on special presses etc, etc but there is no fundamental diofference because even regular coins can receive the same amount of detail from just as new of dies. There is a tremendous difference in average quality and this difference is greatest if strike is a primary concern to the grader. But you can rarely tell with any certainty whether a coin came from a mint set or was regular issue. Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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And that is my point. There is a tremendous quality difference between regular circulation strikes coins and mint set coins. And usually you can see that difference. That's why MS 69 and 70 S come from mint sets mainly. I would lay money it is 99% of the time.
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Yet can't be consistently identified and separated from regular business strikes because they AREN'T that different. I can accept that. I cannot tell MS-69 from MS-70, so it would be arrogant of me to say I could (consistently, if even at all) tell a mint set coin from a normal business strike coin. |
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There really aren't any MS-70 business strike (mint set or otherwise) moderns. MS-69's are exceedingly rare except in cents. Even MS-68's are not very common. In some denominations and dates the top end tends to be MS-67. Eisenhower dollars tend to top out in 67 but a few dates are still 66 I believe. Yes, the bulk of these coins do come from mint sets but don't forget there are numerous moderns that don't exist at all in mint sets. Also most varieties don't appear in mint sets. While top end coins tend to come from mint sets this is not a hard and fast rule. Many moderns are scarce in rolls because they weren't saved. A 1969 quarter roll, for instance, is rare. While mint set coins are normally well struck some of the coins are notorious for problems such as '80-D half dollars are scraped about 99.5% of the time. '68 pennies are usually corroded (99.9%). The Ikes are among the worst mint set coins. There were a few Ike rolls and bags saved and quite a few of the high end coins come from this source. Mint sets are not the end all be all of modern collecting for many reasons. Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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Exceptions can be found for everything. But on the whole, even by your own admittance, are from Mint sets. And I was making a point by saying MS 69 and 70. I realize the 70 grade is virtually non existent. I should have said the top end graded coins. That aside, the point remains.
Had I a 69 quarter roll, I would again lay money that if I had 40 69 mint sets to pull quarters from, there would be more of the mint set coins grading out higher. And that laid side by side, the majority of them would be identifiable as one or the other.
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