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 Posted 07/08/2014  03:06 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add sweetap to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello again, Just a quick question about the 2 cent coin.

I was wondering why the 1968 2 cent is more valuable than the 1969 2 cent coin.

Is there something I have missed. I know it does occur I think there is also a half penny that is worth more than another even though more were stamped.

These are the mint numbers and there was more than 4 million 1968 coins stamped than the 1969.

Mint numbers
1968 RM - Perth 16,995,000 Circulation Circulating
1969 RAM - Canberra 12,940,000 Circulation Circulating
1969 RAM - Canberra 14,351 Uncirculated NCLT Blue Wallet 6 Coin Mint Set
1969 RAM - Canberra 16,825 Uncirculated NCLT Red Wallet 6 Coin Mint Set


Just weird the way it pans out I guess. as 4 mill is a good 25% more mintage yet it commands top spot. I just find it interesting that's all. Regards to all.
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 Posted 07/08/2014  06:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add brett5091 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm new to coin collecting but I found the explanation on this weblog helpful in regards to the 1968 Two Cents:

http://www.australian-threepence.co...edition.html
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 Posted 07/08/2014  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sweetap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Brett, Yes that's interesting but gee over 4 million more. ?
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 Posted 07/08/2014  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrcruise to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reason the 1968 coin is regarded as valuable is because it is very hard to come by in higher grades

Though less of the 1969 coins were minted they are readily available in Mint Sets issued by Royal Australian Mint in 1969. No sets were issued in 1968 and thus the only way to get higher grade is from mint rolls from Perth Mint, or from some 3rd Party sets from Sherwood etc

This creates an inherit notion of value in the eye of the collector hence its higher value than 1969
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 Posted 07/08/2014  08:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sweetap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mr Cruise my name is Cruse to no I though my pleasure to meet you.

Yes I read the website info Brett posted, It also said due to no mint sets and that the paper was changed that the mint rolls were rolled in were acidic and damaged a large portion of the coins.

Now these claims may seem fair enough to most but to me there quite flurfy. Don't get me wrong it may very well be the case but shouldn't we consider these points first.

Now CLAIM 1 no mint sets in 68, That's a fine excuse but guess what and you should know this, All the early mint sets were all in PVC wallets which also damaged them.

Claim 2 , the paper the rolls were in damaged a lot of the coins. Well how would they no that in just 1 year seeing it takes several to have an effect so surely the following years also had the same paper.

I just find these claims a little hard to swallow they really defy common sense. 4 million more than the very next run who's mint sets were set in PVC and surely the paper was not known in less than a 12mth period.

OH and also I use to wonder why those early mint sets had such discoloured coins , the coppers always brown of and the silver always goes dull. Use to think it was the age time but PVC ?.
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 Posted 07/08/2014  09:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sweetap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OH forgot to mention that is over 4 million extra 1968 coins including counting the 1969 mint sets which have all been spoilt buy PVC.

So I really still find it hard to swallow, 12mill VS 16 mill and to me the mint sets are irrelevant as they were included in my figures and spoilt as well.

Reasons given seem to defy logic common sense and I have not found a mint 1969 2 cent any easy to find in high grade than a 1968, both are quite hard to find in a mint state.

Unless you visit fee Bay and pay handsomely for it.

Anyways thank you for replying its nice to hear what others think.

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07/08/2014 09:12 am
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 Posted 07/08/2014  10:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add serial to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I recently picked up 2x69 2 cent coins graded ms64rd and ms65rd both pcgs for under $100 delivered.
imho that is cheap for such a low mintage easy toning coin and I consider them sleepers in high grade
here is one for sale from a reputable dealer
http://www.sterlingcurrency.com.au/...-pcgs-ms64rd

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 Posted 07/08/2014  8:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sweetap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree serial, I think the 69 is under rated and the stories why the 68 is worth more just don't stack up imho.

I would pay that for them to. I think in time they will only have to go up in value as well.

I just bought a jar of 69 2 cents for 12 bucks at a auction last week , It contained exactly 118 coins and in that only one had any original lustre left on it.

But for 12 bucks I'm not complaining. I will stick the jar with the others I have and my grand kids and kids can have them and hopefully all my coins have gained some value buy that time for them.

I also got a bag of 10 1972 5 cent coins and there was 1 in there that was near mint condition. So that made me happy.
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 Posted 07/10/2014  05:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrcruise to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I actually agree with your comments - there is no valid reasoning why 1968 coins should be worth more than 1969

But I have found over the years that it is demand that drives the worth of a coin and in today's market, coin collectors have in their heads that 1968 2c coin is more valuable than 1969

Things have settled down a little in the last 2 years when it comes to decimal coins rarities anyways (except for choice grades)

Have noticed prices paid for 1968 2c + 1972 5c + 1966 20c wavy + 50c fed issues have come down on ebay (generally) - only the mule seems to have kept its value

Could even be a cyclic trend where collectors jump on a particular group of coins - then they are replaced by another group less interested so their values drops - only to see such coins increase in value again when a new group comes on the scene

Ultimately, only time will tell
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 Posted 07/10/2014  06:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sweetap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I couldn't agree more MRCRUISE. Spot on comments. Thank you.
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 Posted 07/10/2014  07:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MobOfRoos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I actually agree with your comments - there is no valid reasoning why 1968 coins should be worth more than 1969


I disagree
The lack of a 1968 mint set is a BIG reason why the 1968 2c is worth more than the 1969 2c.

There are 30,000 1969 mint sets. Thats 30,000 people who don't need to get a 1969 2c from general circulation or mint rolls. Sure, some of the mint sets will have PVC damage but coins from mint rolls are often "baggy" as well.
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 Posted 07/10/2014  08:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is also another option of getting a nice 1969 coin

http://www.pcgs.com/Cert/29866301.html
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 Posted 07/10/2014  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sweetap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's fair enough MOR but from what I have read all early mint sets were set in PVC and all will suffer some damage if left in them longer than a few years which most would not have even been sold buy then not to mention most still being sold on ebay in there original wallets, I don't to many would have escaped un harmed.

That does not mean the 68 is not rare it obviously is that is why I asked the question. But I fail to see how 30,000 measly sets which must have been damaged buy there pvc retainers can out way 4.000,000 extra coins. There has to be a more valid reason and I think MrCruise is on the money.

If you think of the 1972 5 cent coin they were rare but of late there has been a lot of mint rolls appearing on ebay being broken up.

But I still like your opinion its nice to hear what others think may be the reasons. And you may very well be right.

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 Posted 07/10/2014  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrcruise to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MobOfRoos, based on your reasoning why doesn't the 1967 2c coin attract the same attention as 1968?

More were minted, yes, but no mint set
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 Posted 07/11/2014  05:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sweetap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi again thought I would post these pics of a 1969 and 1971 mint set to show what the PVC does , As you can see there discoloured and lost there original lustre completely. I don't think there would be to many that would have survived.

I took these from current listings on Fee bay and every early set I looked at was spoilt.

So I really don't get how the mint sets carry any weight what so ever I have circulated coins that look better.

Just my opinion of course. But really 30,000 measly contaminated mint sets vs more than 4,020,000 more minted in 1968 and it hold the prize , Hmm I think MRCRUISE has it spot on , buyers perception is what it is.

But MOR , you may still be right who knows really I actually don't that's why I'm asking it just to me don't add up.

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 Posted 07/11/2014  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wwwww to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1968 Two Cent coin left the mint in sacks, not rolls. The 1969 Two Cent was rolled at the mint.
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