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19th And 20th Century Banknotes, Silver And Gold Coins

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 Posted 07/12/2014  11:01 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add depositBox to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
A recent find, a bit of history: (I am new, and will be posting a better introduction soon.)

My grandfather was president of a Zanesville, OH bank during the depression. While probably not a collector, he would have saved items for historical reasons (we found a letter flown by Lindbergh after he crossed the Atlantic). That sort of collecting.

My father was an avid coin and stamp collector throughout his life, but his collection probably falls in low/mid range level. Books not complete; he liked the research more. I am currently categorizing the "collectible" coins right now, which totals $1,000+ range of total circulated coinage. He saved collectible possibles, and spent his regular change.

The picture is the safe deposit box, recently visited after my father's death. The notes on the left are of pretty poor quality, obviously, the notes in the 2nd and 3rd rows would be, in my opinion, are much better in quality.

That is why I am here. Any advice on what we have here, would be appreciated. I can provide better pix if needed, but this is a good starting spot for getting the discussion started? This picture shows mainly the bank notes, there are 2-3 dozen coins to review, also.

One step at a time. Thanks!

DB



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07/12/2014 11:10 am
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 Posted 07/12/2014  1:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The german 100 mark note has no value. In the depression the devaluation of the Germany went so fast, that some banknotes had little or no value when the left the factory.
In Germany called the 'blauer hunderter'. In very mint condition, it may have some value.
The value of these depends on the quality, date, variation, serie (A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,), color of the seal...
Maybe in the US you can get some money out of it by someone who collects these notes.
This is a link to a little catalog. Please scroll down to find yours.
What is the country of the 3 Chinese or japanese notes?
The other banknotes will be better evaluated in the US.
Taking pictures : http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...?FORUM_ID=81
Use the scanner for best results to take pictures if you do not have a macro lens and good lightning.
Recent coin values can be foud on : http://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/
If you can : keep the silver and gold coins as investment. Silver and gold prices can only go up!
Good luck!

Corrections welcome
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07/12/2014 1:23 pm
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 Posted 07/12/2014  6:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Condolences on the loss of your father.

Starting in the left column:
The first and second notes appear to be either Confederate or Obsolete bank notes
The $5 is either an 1890 or 1891 Treasury note,
$1 with Martha Washington is an 1886 Silver Certificate
$10 is a 1901 Legal Tender note
the last note is a $1 Silver Certificate from 1923

Second column from the left:
$1 Silver Certificate from 1923
the next four are $1 silver certificates (I can't determine the series date as there were several)
the last two are $2 legal tender notes (Series 1928, 1953, 1963)

Third column from the left
the first three notes are $2 legal tender notes
the $10 and $20's are called National Bank Notes (I'd need closer pics or if you state the bank names and town, I could provide more info)

The right column
First note is a National Bank Note (I'd need the info I listed above to provide more info)
I don't know what the 3 smaller notes are (possibly Korean, Japanese, Chinese ) someone here will know
The last note has been identified already.

Happy to help you DB. I'll check back and provide more info if needed.

-MV
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 Posted 07/13/2014  01:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add depositBox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the replies, and I apologize for not being more intuitive about this site. It's best that I go back to the Safe Deposit Box and get better pictures and get these notes and coins in a better archival environment. We have this small collection, and another "accumulation" of coins from my father to post. If he saved a coin from a particular year, he knew something about that year in terms of collectability, even with circulated coins. It's a crap shoot, but needs to be done.

I will post more detailed photos, I didn't have a scanner with me in the SDB room.

DB
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 Posted 07/13/2014  09:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Banknotes : http://banknoteworld.com/
German banknote : http://banknoteworld.com/germany
The 3 at the right :
On the smaller one I can read 1 jiao
and the two bigger look like 2 jiao
Picture looks like Chiang Kai-shek
The other site of these 3 note should have writing in english? (can you post a scan of both sides?)
Here is 10 yuan, I think it has similar writing: http://www.delcampe.com/page/item/i...guage,D.html
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07/13/2014 09:45 am
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 Posted 07/13/2014  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No need to apologize. You got a picture up which vastly helped with the identification.

Do you have a local coin shop nearby? If so, they might have currency sleeves. You'll need some large size ones and modern size ones. Here's an example of what to look for or order http://www.jpscorner.com/currency-sleeves.html

-MV
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 Posted 07/15/2014  02:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add depositBox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Update:
I have put all the notes into the currency sleeves (thanks MV!)

My big question is the handling of the bills from hereon; my concern is the bunching on the edges and folding of the corners. Leave them as is to minimize risk of tearing? Any advice is welcome. (seems obvious at this point?)

My father's estate is still in transition to my Mom, so transporting collections falls outside my legal boundaries; so until then, I will try and post imagery to keep the conversation open.

The rest of the post is me blabbering; read on if you're interested.

The lighting in the Safe Deposit Box room is horrible, and I have taken some pictures with my iPhone, but it has limited range in focal length, especially with the coins.

I am a designer, so Photoshop is second nature, and I am working on separate bills now... but the sliver and gold coins, in my opinion need a closer look, here, too. Not sure if this is the correct forum for that.

Harlan J. Berk here in Chicago has taken a brief look at the notes from the pictures I have. the two notes posted sparked a brief conversation, or at least started the conversation. Although the specimens in their shop look like they were printed yesterday.

The National Bank Notes (all Ohio) were also of interest. The banks are NB of Marietta, Old Citizens NB of Zanesville, and National Bank of Port Clinton.

DB
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 Posted 07/15/2014  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would leave the notes as is with the folded corners and bunching--it's better to have the notes like that than risk having pieces come off.


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The lighting in the Safe Deposit Box room is horrible, and I have taken some pictures with my iPhone, but it has limited range in focal length, especially with the coins.


CCF has a forum here dedicated to coin photography. There might be some helpful info on using an iPhone to take pictures. http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...?FORUM_ID=81
If they're US Classic coins they'd get more exposure in this forumhttp://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...p?FORUM_ID=3

I've heard of Harlan J. Berk but haven't done business with them.

The only info I can provide on the National Bank Notes would be what the Kelly census records has listed (e.g. 10 large, 30 small); but imo, it's not the most useful info.

Hoping this lengthy post is helpful to you DB.

-MV
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 Posted 07/22/2014  07:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add depositBox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Update:
It seems that the safe deposit box was the tip of the iceberg. We found 20+ pounds of silver coins (Morgans, Peace dollars, "Mercury" dimes, Franklin halves, Kennedy halves, Standing Liberty quarters, pre 64 Roosevelt dimes (some still in wrappers) , 32 pounds of pennies (Indian heads to wreaths, steels to Linc Memorials), and various world coins dating 1860 to 1970 or so.

I have a lot of work to do; but it seems to me that the coins were probably catalogued by my father and grandfather (obviously, now, a collector), and my dad moved the rare coins and bills to the Safe Deposit Box.

Can someone point me to a forum thread that would help me deal with this small hoard?

Thanks for all your inputs so far.
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 Posted 07/22/2014  2:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's one: https://goccf.com/t/167629

If I were trying to process this hoard, I'd focus on one denomination at a time; this way it is less overwhelming.

A RedBook would help if you need info on where to look for mint marks, mintage figures, etc. It doesn't have to be the newest edition as the prices listed are generally high.

I think you'll get more replies if this topic was moved to the Main Forum. I'll ask a mod to move it for you.

-MV
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